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Old 11-06-2019, 12:25 PM
texascolt92 texascolt92 is offline
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Some old 45 ammo i found and unknown!

Hello i found some old 45 ammo either from WW1 WW2 or Vietnam in my uncles cabinet and its a brown box and it says 50 Cartridges Calibier 45 Ball M1911 Lot WWC-2-27 Olin Corporation and the ammo looks good and a bit worn and all and i showed to spme guys at academy and a gunshop one says i dont kniw if it will fire or not and the guys at academy said you may not want to shoot that old ammonot may jam or get stuck if the ammo is expired and i bought some new 45 ammo anyways but is this old 45 ammo safe to shoot in my colt 1911 and my colt is a 1991 series 80 and if i cant what can i do with this old ammo! My uncle kind wants me to get rid of it and heres a link to a YouTube video of a guy shooting old 45 ammo in his 1911 like the box i have https://youtu.be/mIIZRIPsMmI and here are some pictures of the old 45 ammo i have!
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:04 PM
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By the looks of the headstamp it appears to have been made in 1974. It should function just fine.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:25 PM
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It could be OK, Or not.
My first concern would be if it had corrosive primers or not.
Someone with a better handle on the Winchester manufacturing codes could probably make that determination.
My second concern would be how badly do I want to shoot it? It might work fine (or OK) or it could damage your pistol---is it worth the risk?
And will You tube make it right if your pistol gets damaged?
Of course not!
I'd trade it or sell it off---there are collectors who value vintage military stuff and could give it home.
New .45ACP ammo isn't expensive (around $20/box on sale in my neck of the woods)
In my opinion, PMC from Korea currently loads the best .45ACP 230gr FMJ for general shooting---reliable, accurate, mild recoil and very clean plus good brass if you plan on hand loading in the future.
Economy loads from Winchester and Remington (UMC) leaves behind some really stubborn soot that is difficult to clean off.

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Old 11-06-2019, 01:57 PM
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WCC74 is perfectly good ammo, and will work fine. I've shot up tons of surplus that was stored under all kinds of adverse conditions that ran the whole spectrum of years from WWI to present. The only thing you have to worry about is corrosive priming for anything prior to about 1954. Clean the gun with hot soapy water and solvent after shooting, and wash the brass in hot water, with a healthy slug of baking powder dissolved in it to kill the acidic pH. Rinse in clean hot water.


That's it. WCC74 is not worth anything as far as collectors are concerned, except as maybe just an example of a military round. If anything, the box is probably worth more than the ammo itself.
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Old 11-06-2019, 02:09 PM
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Hello i found some old 45 ammo either from WW1 WW2 or Vietnam in my uncles cabinet and its a brown box and it says 50 Cartridges Calibier 45 Ball M1911 Lot WWC-2-27 Olin Corporation and the ammo looks good and a bit worn and all and i showed to spme guys at academy and a gunshop one says i dont kniw if it will fire or not and the guys at academy said you may not want to shoot that old ammonot may jam or get stuck if the ammo is expired and i bought some new 45 ammo anyways but is this old 45 ammo safe to shoot in my colt 1911 and my colt is a 1991 series 80 and if i cant what can i do with this old ammo! My uncle kind wants me to get rid of it and heres a link to a YouTube video of a guy shooting old 45 ammo in his 1911 like the box i have https://youtu.be/mIIZRIPsMmI and here are some pictures of the old 45 ammo i have!
"don`t know if it will fire or not, may jam and get stuck" LMAO Please send it to me for proper disposal. Best ball ammo ever except for GI Match.

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Old 11-06-2019, 02:59 PM
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It is fine. I had some FCC 65 that was some of the best ammo I have shot. Completely waterproof, it was 100% after being soaked by fire hose water and rain.
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Old 11-06-2019, 03:09 PM
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If you are not sure about what to do with I give it to a military museum!

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Old 11-06-2019, 03:12 PM
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Recently I shot 45 ball from '69, it worked fine. BTW, same company and box as yours.
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Old 11-06-2019, 04:16 PM
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It will work just fine. I would not hesitate to shoot it in any of my pistols. It's not a rare item.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:34 PM
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Well i took this to a pawn shop and they wouldnt take it cause theybsaid its homemade but they said it should run fine! But i might just put this somewhere else!
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:29 PM
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If I were you, I'd keep it in my collection. I have some GI issue 1944 .45 ammo and I have it stored next to my 1943 Remington Rand 1911. I don't ever plan to fire it, even though I could. But to answer your question, I'm sure it's perfectly safe to shoot. I'd say the same thing about my 1943 ammo. In my experience, I've never had issues firing old ammo within the last few years, namely .308 from the 1960s, 9mm from the 1970s and .40 from the early 1990's.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:07 AM
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The sample you showed has the original domed sealed primer, but the odd scuff marks on the side and nicks on the rim tells me that it may have been loaded into a magazine and cycled through a pistol at least a few times.
If all of the rounds have the same WCC74 headstamp and the dome-shaped brass colored primer, then you have a box of genuine military 45 caliber ball ammo. It was manufactured in 1974 just before the end of the Vietnam War.

It may be worth a little more than new ammunition to a collector. I wouldn't shoot it because it has nostalgic and historic value. Not because it is unsafe. It is perfectly usable ammunition.

I would examine the remaining rounds with rubber or cotton gloves. If they are all exactly the same, I would wipe each round with a clean cotton cloth to remove fingerprints and place them back in the box as they were originally stacked. Then put the box in a freezer bag and squeeze out the air.

It is 45 years old and has value to a collector of Vietnam War memorabilia.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:10 AM
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BTW, 45 ball stopped being corrosive back in the 1950's
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Old 11-10-2019, 05:34 AM
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I have shot that stuff, It's just good Vietnam era hardball ammo.
I'm about 99 percent sure it's not corrosive.
Shoot it!
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:38 AM
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1943, corrosive primers, functions as intended, made by the Chrysler Corp. There is a book all about this called Bullets By The Billion.
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:13 PM
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WCC 74 Winchester head stamp & 1974 manufacture date. I'd use it in my gun.
In 1974 they weren't using corrosive primers.
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:40 PM
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I've shot up lots of USGI .45 ball that was older and stored in much worse conditions , judging by the deteriorated cardboard boxes I got it in , and it all ran thru any pistol I tried.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:22 PM
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By the looks of the headstamp it appears to have been made in 1974. It should function just fine.
I saw that too. Now corrosive 45 ACP ammunition was last made in the mid 1950s. So 1974 is non-corrosive and good to go.
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:49 PM
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That will run fine in my Thompson too- in case you are close ad want to just get rid of it. Otherwise I would be happy to pay shipping if you want to get rid of it.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:44 AM
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Hello i found some old 45 ammo either from WW1 WW2 or Vietnam in my uncles cabinet and its a brown box and it says 50 Cartridges Calibier 45 Ball M1911 Lot WWC-2-27 Olin Corporation and the ammo looks good and a bit worn and all and i showed to spme guys at academy and a gunshop one says i dont kniw if it will fire or not and the guys at academy said you may not want to shoot that old ammonot may jam or get stuck if the ammo is expired and i bought some new 45 ammo anyways but is this old 45 ammo safe to shoot in my colt 1911 and my colt is a 1991 series 80 and if i cant what can i do with this old ammo! My uncle kind wants me to get rid of it and heres a link to a YouTube video of a guy shooting old 45 ammo in his 1911 like the box i have https://youtu.be/mIIZRIPsMmI and here are some pictures of the old 45 ammo i have!

1974 Ball. Perfectly good ammo. I've fired buckets of it. Also fired tons of surplus that actually was made in WWI and WWII. It all worked. Those guys just wanted you to buy new ammo. It isn't worth anything as a collectable, so go ahead and shoot it. That's the kind of ammo the 1911 earned its chops on.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:23 AM
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1943, corrosive primers, functions as intended, made by the Chrysler Corp. There is a book all about this called Bullets By The Billion.
Dang man, whadja open it for???
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Old 12-30-2019, 10:27 AM
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Iíve just fired some from that same type box that Iíve had since the earlier 70ís.. worked great.
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