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Old 12-24-2019, 05:05 PM
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Barnes Tac XPD

Just curious how many use this as a carry round in 45 ACP?

I have been using it along with the HST rounds from Federal.

I like the mild recoil for follow up shots with that 185gr.
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Old 12-24-2019, 05:15 PM
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It's the other round I like to use alongside golden saber and gold dot, I usually use HSTs though but in full size guns the Barnes stuff works great
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Old 12-25-2019, 06:08 AM
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Is there expansion data XPD? Hard to compete with HST as you guys know. I back up with GS also in 230, except in my 3.3" XDS, where I use 185GS, and yes it is quite amazing how the 185 "tames" the beast vs 230 in the XDs (I call it a "comp" in a cartridge :-)).
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Old 12-25-2019, 12:53 PM
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I regularly carry the 160 grain Barnes. I did a series of tests for our church on expansion and penetration. I did gel blocks and water jugs. The 160 grain barnes penetrated the least at 11" and expanded the most. Sort of like a big parachute. The HST, gold dots and critical defense were all around 14-16" and looked just like the pictures.
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Old 12-25-2019, 04:58 PM
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I regularly carry the 160 grain Barnes. I did a series of tests for our church on expansion and penetration. I did gel blocks and water jugs. The 160 grain barnes penetrated the least at 11" and expanded the most. Sort of like a big parachute. The HST, gold dots and critical defense were all around 14-16" and looked just like the pictures.



Why do you want LESS penetration? Performance depends on too many factors that can limit penetration to start out with one that is already shy. And that doesn't even take potential barriers into account. It drives me crazy that people have so bought into the hollow point and expansion thing that they don't even bother to reason out why penetration is too often not given enough credence.


Lots of tests have been done over the last couple decades on various forms of lightweight high speed bullets, touting them as the best thing since sliced bread. I can't think of a single one of the dozens of such tests, with one possible exception, that proved those light bullets were better than a 230 gr. OR, that a hollow point was better than a soft point or solid.


I always figured the Army knew more about killing things back when the 1911 was adopted than just about anybody. Browning's original .45 ACP load was a 200 gr., and at least by current standards more than adequate for self defense, but the Army knew it wasn't good enough, and demanded it be changed to a heavier bullet. The 230 gr. is the result. Today's version of that ammo is even better.
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Old 12-26-2019, 09:17 AM
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I am on the safety team of a mega church. There are approximately 20,000 members. Over penetration is a huge concern. I am looking for the largest parachute that I can find. I would like to keep all bullets within the intended victim. I am pretty sure it would suck to be hit by the 160.

I also like the 230 grain pills and regularly carry the HST.
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:21 AM
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I understand what you're saying about over penetration however the reason the GoldDot and HST and Critical Defense went as deep as they did and looked just like the pictures was because they were designed for law enforcement in mind to give them the best choice of ideal penetration and expansion without over penetration so they aren't hitting innocent civilians behind the intended targets. I personally would stick with a round that has a proven track record for decades over something that is truly untested in the real world and doesn't have a following from professionals who depend upon it to do it's job. Personally I have been carrying 230gr GoldDots for more years than I can recall and trust it I'm my pistol 100%

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Old 12-26-2019, 11:10 AM
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I am a HST fan and it is the required ammo in 9mm for our security team. I just happen to like the lightweight Barnes and it has been an effective killer on deer and hogs for me.

The Barnes works fine, but you will get no argument from me that HST, Gold Dot and Critical Defense have proven track records.
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Old 12-26-2019, 02:54 PM
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There is this one:

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Old 12-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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I tried the Barnes and accuracy was abysmal in 9mm, but haven’t tried it in 45 ACP. Pistols can be fickle so who knows, each factory barrel is a unique animal often.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:52 PM
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I tried the Barnes and accuracy was abysmal in 9mm, but haven’t tried it in 45 ACP. Pistols can be fickle so who knows, each factory barrel is a unique animal often.
Abysmal for your standard or for combat standards? It holds under 2 inches usually for me in 9mm at 25 so I would hope your wasn't far off that since that's realistically good enough.
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