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Old 03-24-2017, 10:09 AM
Descartian Descartian is offline
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40 Super

Does anyone know of a competent smith that has a chamber reamer for the 40 Super?

Also does anyone know if this round functions well in a 2011 platform?
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Old 03-24-2017, 10:44 AM
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I've never heard of this round....interesting.

Question though- what does this round offer that the 10mm doesn't?
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Old 03-24-2017, 11:07 AM
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With a similar weight bullet about 200fps and 175ft/lbs.
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Old 03-24-2017, 01:55 PM
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thanks. Jeez....I must have been a sleep as I'm a reloader and hadn't heard of it. I just did some research and saw it is a necked-down cartridge. Really good performance.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:58 PM
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Looks interesting, like 357Sig's big brother. So what would you suggest, ream a 40 barrel?
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Old 03-24-2017, 05:10 PM
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If you are going to do that, go 400 corbon. At least it's something you can get barrels and ammo for.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:40 PM
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If you are going to do that, go 400 corbon. At least it's something you can get barrels and ammo for.
The 400 Corbon is loaded under the 10mm.

There is a significant advantage to the 40 super over the 10mm.

There are at least 3 manufacturers of 40 super ammo.

I just need to find a competent smith with a reamer or a new barrel. With it being an out of favor wildcat, that is my dilemma. Thus the post here looking for help.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:45 PM
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Looks interesting, like 357Sig's big brother. So what would you suggest, ream a 40 barrel?
It would be nice to start with a STI Perfect 10 but seeing as the 40 super is .004 shorter than a 10mm, that will probably not work.

I'm assuming the smith would have to start with a .40cal blank or 40s&w barrel.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:08 PM
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Looks interesting, like 357Sig's big brother. So what would you suggest, ream a 40 barrel?
More like the 10mm's big brother...

Tony Rumore suggested starting with a .40 S&W barrel when I asked him about it. The chamber drawings I'd found implied that a .400 Corbon barrel might not clean up properly.

PTG and Manson have the reamer prints; Starline has brass, and I got my dies from Redding.

A hot .40 Super's muzzle engery laps up into low-end .460 Rowland territory.

Here are some "representative samples" sorted by muzzle energy. (there's some variation by manufacturer, more than one bullet weight is available for each cartridge, data likely from a 5" barrel, contents sold by weight not volume, some settling may have occurred during shipment.)

(reference data)
414 ft-lb: [email protected]: .45 ACP
616 ft-lb: [email protected]: hi vel .45 ACP
618 ft-lb: [email protected]: .45 Super (basically +P+ .45 ACP)
694 ft-lb: [email protected]: .45 Super
930 ft-lb: [email protected]: .460 Rowland
1000 ft-lb: [email protected]: .460 Rowland

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(other cartridges)

430 ft-lb: [email protected]: .41 Avenger (.45 WM necked down to .41)
588 ft-lb: [email protected]: .400 Cor-Bon, which is a .45 necked down to .40.
694 ft-lb: [email protected]: .45 Super (basically +P+ .45 ACP)
749 ft-lb: [email protected]: .450 SMC (basically +P++ .45 ACP)
796 ft-lb: [email protected]: .40 Super, another necked down .45
871 ft-lb: [email protected]: .40 Super
891 ft-lb: [email protected]: .38 Casull (.45 necked down to .38)
972 ft-lb: [email protected]: .40 Super

The .400 Cor-Bon seems to be loaded quite conservatively, particularly when compared to the .40 Super.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:24 PM
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Great info TRX. Thank you. I'm sure Tony is way backed up on work these days.

Anyone else know of anyone with a reamer?
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:36 PM
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You're welcome.

Call Tony and see what his schedule looks like. His contact information is at tromix.com. He also has loading data for the Super.
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Old 03-25-2017, 04:39 PM
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Well Tony is a no go. Anyone else?
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Old 03-26-2017, 10:59 AM
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Bar-Sto and (I think) Briley used to offer barrels in that caliber, but they're not on their web sites now. They might still have the reamer tucked away somewhere.
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:56 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
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.40 super reamer.....

I would contact Dave Manson.....he makes very good reamers for guns.... he may be able to help find one or he may have one.....

https://mansonreamers.com/
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:42 PM
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Descarte,
Would you post your findings when you are able to get this done? I am looking for the same thing, but want to get a 400 Corbon 1911 barrel reamed to the 40 Super chambering.
thanks
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:55 PM
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Well Tony is a no go. Anyone else?
I checked a couple of days ago with Bar-Sto about chambering a barrel in 40 Super and they can do it - the barrel will be a replacement for a longslide in 45 super, so yes, they do have the tooling available. Unfortunately, they cannot do the porting, so any suggestions for that would be much appreciated

thanks
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Old 04-02-2017, 03:29 PM
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I called bar-sto as well and checked last week. I got a sweetheart deal on a new 6" 45acp STI tactical as the donor gun.

I'm more of a fan of comps than porting. If they can't make an extended barrel for a screw on comp I was going to get a cone comp and see if they can turn down the barrel. (That's what I'm having done to my perfect 10 as well).

I'm calling back Monday to talk to a smith. I'll keep you updated.
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Old 04-02-2017, 03:31 PM
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Unfortunately, they cannot do the porting, so any suggestions for that would be much appreciated

thanks
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Of course magnaport would be the go-to on porting.
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Old 04-02-2017, 03:38 PM
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If you want the real ported barrels bees-knees, I'd start with a 6" Schuemann island barrel. Ported sight tracker? Pretty sweet.

http://www.schuemann.com/OnlineCatal...5/Default.aspx
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:56 PM
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I wanted a .460 Rowland, but Clark Custom insists it'll beat a 1911 to bits without the comp. I hate the look of a comp. There's not a lot out there about the .40 Super, but nobody was claiming a comp was a requirement, so I went with that and a 6" slide.

tl;dr: I hate the comp look so much handloading a semi-wildcat was preferable, even knowing I'd never recover all the brass
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Old 04-03-2017, 01:11 PM
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If you want the real ported barrels bees-knees, I'd start with a 6" Schuemann island barrel. Ported sight tracker? Pretty sweet.

http://www.schuemann.com/OnlineCatal...5/Default.aspx
Thank you for the link and the information - the SA I have has the peculiar porting on the sides of the barrel - 8 ports on each side in a v formation, and these match up to two long slots/ports on the slide. Not sure who would be able to match these barrel ports up besides SA. I know the Springfield's version of the CZ75 - the SA P9 LSP (Long Slide Pistol) also has a similar porting system but with four ports, and also the V-12 and V-10 are ported in the same way. Just thought it would be more aesthetic than the compensator on the end of the barrel.

Will check out Shuemann.
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Old 04-03-2017, 01:14 PM
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I wanted a .460 Rowland, but Clark Custom insists it'll beat a 1911 to bits without the comp. I hate the look of a comp. There's not a lot out there about the .40 Super, but nobody was claiming a comp was a requirement, so I went with that and a 6" slide.

tl;dr: I hate the comp look so much handloading a semi-wildcat was preferable, even knowing I'd never recover all the brass
Know what you mean - sort of takes away from the classic lines of a good looking firearm, at least in my mind!

Read somewhere that even the 960 Rowland requires the compensator to hold muzzle flip down to controllable level.
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Old 04-03-2017, 01:15 PM
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I wanted a .460 Rowland, but Clark Custom insists it'll beat a 1911 to bits without the comp. I hate the look of a comp. There's not a lot out there about the .40 Super, but nobody was claiming a comp was a requirement, so I went with that and a 6" slide.

tl;dr: I hate the comp look so much handloading a semi-wildcat was preferable, even knowing I'd never recover all the brass
TRX, does this mean you have a 40 Super setup? If so, how is it with the 6" and no comp?

Thanks
Mike
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Old 04-04-2017, 03:30 PM
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Ordered the barrel today from BarSto. 6.5" threaded in 40 Super. They quoted 8 weeks until it's ready then I can send the pistol in to have it fitted with comp.

I ordered a EGW 5 chamber 7 port hybrid comp.
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Old 04-05-2017, 03:51 AM
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Ordered the barrel today from BarSto. 6.5" threaded in 40 Super. They quoted 8 weeks until it's ready then I can send the pistol in to have it fitted with comp.

I ordered a EGW 5 chamber 7 port hybrid comp.
Hi,
I have seen videos with shooters not using Compensators on the 40 Super - what is your experience?

I will be calling Bar-Sto either today or tomorrow. Checked the Schuemann website and they appear to be tight with their schedule. Not sure whether they can do the v-porting on the barrels - more like the vertical porting used by Magnaport. Read somewhere that SA will do the porting, but $$$.!
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