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Old 07-19-2019, 04:58 PM
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Which would you choose?

If you had a choice of standard 5” mil-spec equiv 1911, based solely on manufacturer which would you prefer and why?

1) RIA. 2) Springfield. 3) Magnum Research Desert Eagle
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:04 PM
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The RIA since I'm assuming you're paying for it
and I don't want to cause too much financial hurt.
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:11 PM
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I’ve read with interest the RIA. Is the Israeli Desert Eagle lesser quality? I’m just trying to gauge general expectations between these lower end guns. Thx!
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:19 PM
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The eagle would be my pick
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:22 PM
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OK, in all seriousness, the RIA from what I've read
of testimonials is that it has an excellent reputation
for backing its products and giving good service.

The Israeli, I know of them but see little feedback on them.

The SA is a solid machine and I believe it has good
customer support. You won't go wrong with it.
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:30 PM
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I had a Springfield milspec I sold years ago to my brother. Should have kept that gun but I wasn’t as in to 1911s then as I am now.

Striker: what do you know about the DE that would make you opt for it instead of RIA or Springfield?
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:46 PM
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Just did a quick check of the RIA on Gunbroker
and they seem to run around $450 to $500 for
a .45.

Now a basic Colt runs around $760 or $800.

Sure you don't want to expand your horizons
just a bit for two to three Benjamins?
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:52 PM
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I had a Springfield milspec I sold years ago to my brother. Should have kept that gun but I wasn’t as in to 1911s then as I am now.

Striker: what do you know about the DE that would make you opt for it instead of RIA or Springfield?
If we are taking base model of each I like the DE more due to feel and the five I've messed with have better triggers and options stock. They are reasonably well fit but nothing by hand, if you don't plan on modifying them I think they are better than a non-RO/TRP Springfield. I have an RIA and messed with a few more and they need serious help in fit and parts quality, machining is also rough and the guns are physically sharp to handle. None of mine were reliable stock and the one I kept required all the small parts replaced to work plus barrel fit correction.

A Colt is also good at this price tier by beware, they are usually fit quite badly and can end up beating themselves to death.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:10 PM
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A Colt is also good at this price tier by beware, they are usually fit quite badly and can end up beating themselves to death.
Nonsense.

Check the Colt section of this forum, which is also the most read and
also has the most contributions, and then form your own opinion.
Colts, especially those produced today, are excellent bargains in my
opinion and so many others on this particular forum.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:24 PM
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Nonsense.

Check the Colt section of this forum, which is also the most read and
also has the most contributions, and then form your own opinion.
Colts, especially those produced today, are excellent bargains in my
opinion and so many others on this particular forum.
Depends what you think well fit means, I generally see colts as substantial disadvantage dollar for dollar to other brands unless you are taking about a base model and the two I've owned sucked in terms of fit and function. A gold cup or even competition has to contend with Kimber and god forbid Dan Wesson at the same prices, Colt has no chance in that lineup.

Again if taking lower end then a Colt is gonna be looser, have a worse trigger, worse sights (may be dented too) finish inconsistency, sharp edges, and a bunch of internal fit issues and just be needing help in general.

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Old 07-19-2019, 06:35 PM
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So, admittedly I have a soft spot for the Colt history and have two in Commander, both LW and Combat. (I don't own one with a standard 5" barrel.. yet. )

BTW, I'm waiting on delivery of another low-end OA, (post Kahr). Got it for I think a fairly good price at $300. I'll post pictures when it gets here but it's kind of a curious configuration.. polished blue, wraparound grips across the front strap, night sights, etc. Not the usual Mil-spec configuration/appearance.

I'm just looking to experience what a lot of you have posted on these over the years I guess.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:52 PM
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The SA mil spec is going for 499. I picked one up a couple weeks age. Hard to beat it for that price point. Nice shooter.
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Old 07-19-2019, 07:47 PM
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AustinWiseGuy,

Don't listen to me or anyone else on this thread.

If you have some decent gun shops in your area,
perhaps they have SAs, RIAs, Colts, Ruger etc. and
handle and feel and decide for yourself.

Or seek out a gunsmith or two in your area and
ask their advice, which guns they like to work on
or find they don't have to work on very much or
not at all.

Having already two Colt Commanders, you're not
really missing all that much if anything at all.
Many shooters prefer the Commander sized guns.

P.S.: You might run into Colt's current hot number the
Competition and that might strike a bell if $400 over
what you first stated.

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Old 07-19-2019, 08:07 PM
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Springfield...all day long and twice on Sunday. Forged frame, forged slide, match grade barrel, arched MSH. For $499 (Palmetto State Armory as of this post) I just don't think you cant beat the value.

Plus, I don't think Magnum Research makes a DE Mil Spec 1911. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED my DE1911G (and now it comes with factory FSC) its just that it was almost $700. For the money, the Springfield is a way better deal if you don't care about extended beaver tail and skeletonized hammer/trigger.
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Old 07-19-2019, 08:41 PM
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Springfield.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:34 PM
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Springfield.
It was my first choice, and it's a keeper.

BTW, Gunbroker is only showing two of them - right at $700.
So I wouldn't equate a RIA with a Springfield.
They are not in the same class.


@UncleEd - might ought to recheck the price on that Colt A1.
Gunbroker says about $1,700.
You were about a grand low!
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:46 PM
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So, admittedly I have a soft spot for the Colt history and have two in Commander, both LW and Combat. (I don't own one with a standard 5" barrel.. yet. )

BTW, I'm waiting on delivery of another low-end OA, (post Kahr). Got it for I think a fairly good price at $300. I'll post pictures when it gets here but it's kind of a curious configuration.. polished blue, wraparound grips across the front strap, night sights, etc. Not the usual Mil-spec configuration/appearance.

I'm just looking to experience what a lot of you have posted on these over the years I guess.
Don't let the Colt bashers get you down. Colts are made with forged frames, slides, barrels and slide stops, and with machined barstock extractors, ejectors, hammers, firing pins, barrel bushings, guide rods, and pins. Only the non-critical parts are cast or MIM. Too many people judge a 1911 by how well the parts appear seamlessly fit together, forgetting that in order to sell at the same price point they have to give up something else. I'll take quality parts over fancy fitting, thank you. One company tried to do both, CZ-USA with their short-lived 1911-A1, and it was quickly dropped from the lineup because they found it impossible to build an $800 mil-spec 1911 with good parts and excellent fitting without losing a ton of money on every gun they sold.
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Old 07-20-2019, 01:08 AM
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I been very happy with my Springfield armory and my auto ordnance 1911’s. There just as good as my colt goverment model is. The SA and colt are forged frames and slides. The auto ordnance is a 4140 steel cast frame and I think the slide is forged. We hammered the AO non stop for 600rds the three of us did it. No hiccups I wish I bought more when they were affordable. I was torn between the new AO and the new SA so I bought both.

For 1911’s I stick with colt, SA, AO and norinco for builds.
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Old 07-20-2019, 03:35 AM
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SA and RIA seem to have the better warranty.
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Old 07-20-2019, 04:19 AM
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@UncleEd - might ought to recheck the price on that Colt A1.
Gunbroker says about $1,700.
You were about a grand low!
A1?

Are you speaking of the Marine M45A1? That's a whole
different marque than Colt's Government Models, specifically
a standard GM or something like the Competition.

Other than the Marine model, I'm not aware of Colt
designating anything else in the regular lineup as A1.
The A1 nomenclature seems to be how SA and
others refer to the Colt GM.

Just picked up a second no-frills GM with standard
tang (no beavertail), hard rubber grips (among my
favorite) and three-dot sights for $825, and that
from an Atlanta shop that always has premium
prices. And I have on order taxes included a
stainless Competition for $1,000 at a suburban
Atlanta store.

What seems to be right in the OP's ballpark is
Colt's model O1911C which on Gunbroker is
consistently around $850. It's referred to
as the Classic.

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What seems to be right in the OP's ballpark is
Colt's model O1911C which on Gunbroker is
consistently around $850. It's referred to
as the Classic.
I picked mine up off of GB for $830:

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Of those choices in a mil-spec hands down it would have to be Springfield Armory, having owned the guns of your choice the least problematic in basic configuration was and is my SA. Here is something to think about if you had a problem with any of these pistols and it has to go in for warranty you will find SA the easiest to work with and by far the quickest turn around time.

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Depends what you think well fit means, I generally see colts as substantial disadvantage dollar for dollar to other brands unless you are taking about a base model and the two I've owned sucked in terms of fit and function. A gold cup or even competition has to contend with Kimber and god forbid Dan Wesson at the same prices, Colt has no chance in that lineup.

Again if taking lower end then a Colt is gonna be looser, have a worse trigger, worse sights (may be dented too) finish inconsistency, sharp edges, and a bunch of internal fit issues and just be needing help in general.

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Well, if you're going to use your sample of two to represent the entire companies production then Dan Wesson must really suck. I owned one, a PM-9, and it seized up tight in less than 50 rounds. It ended up being the least accurate 1911 I ever owned. And a Kimber Super Match that I could push the barrel hood down while in battery...

To the OP: Of your choices I would go with the Springfield. Or, as UncleEd suggested, spend a few more dollars and get a Colt.

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Well, if you're going to use your sample of two to represent the entire companies production then Dan Wesson must really suck. I owned one, a PM-9, and it seized up tight in less than 50 rounds. It ended up being the least accurate 1911 I ever owned. And a Kimber Super Match that I could push the barrel hood down while in battery...

To the OP: Of your choices I would go with the Springfield. Or, as UncleEd suggested, spend a few more dollars and get a Colt.

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Sample of about 20, Two of them are mine, 5 rentals and the rest other peoples guns. I sent mine to get corrected by Wilson
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