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Old 06-25-2019, 04:11 PM
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There is a difference!

Having said that, just like having a small caliber gun is better than having no gun, buying the safe you can afford (and having it bolted down) is better than having no safe.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:32 PM
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It certainly is important to understand.

That there is a huge difference between a residential security container, and a safe. Residential security containers are what most people buy. I have three of them. There are good ones and there are cheap ones. There is not much crossover between good and cheap as far as residential security containers are concerned.

There are a number of very educational videos on security containers on youtube. I would highly advise any potential buyer to educate themselves in this regard. Generally speaking steel and weight are your friends when it comes to RSCs. That is not to say that even heavier ones can not be easily taken. This is the number one way that they are defeated. They just roll it on out and take it away to another location for opening at their leisure. There are a number of ways to address this. The primary way is to secure it in place.

An actual safe is a whole other beast. My wife and I were able to get an older AMSEC TL-30 at auction some years ago for a song. It weighs +/- 3,500 lb. empty. And it is not even big enough to put rifles in. I have often joked to my wife that we could just as well put it out by the gate with a sign on it saying Have at it. The door is two inches thick of solid steel. And the innermost liner is 1" of Hearth steel.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:34 PM
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It certainly is important to understand.

Double post, my bad.
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:34 PM
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I bought a Champion & had it professionally installed & bolted to the foundation of the house. I'm happy with it. Seems to be better than some of the more well-known brands. They some pretty effective videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSIb...ature=youtu.be
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:08 PM
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Are all brands about the same? I mean is there much difference between Liberty, Browning, and Winchester?
Those companies do not make "safes"; they make strong boxes. There ARE companies that make real gun safes, but you will pay.
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Old 10-24-2019, 10:45 AM
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Are all brands about the same? I mean is there much difference between Liberty, Browning, and Winchester?
I've been using a Fort Knox since 1996, and it has served me well, but my house hasn't burned to the ground as my neighbors did a few years ago.

I woke up around 4:00 am, to the sound of a rapid popping noise. That was the 7.62 x 39 rounds cooking off, stored in the house. The cases were found on the ground, out to 100 yards away. I watched the roof fall down into the house. It was a total loss. So hot, it started the one next to it on fire and melted the vinyl siding of another one 50' away. The one item visible was the RSC near the front of the house. It was still standing. I'm not sure what color it started as, but it was black the next day. A day later, it was cut open; everything in it was baked to a crisp.

My recommendation: talk to your "trusted local locksmith" - mine is also a member of the pistol club that I'm in. My next RSC will be an AMSEC.

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Old 10-24-2019, 11:44 AM
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I think it would be interesting to look at residential burglary statistics and see exactly how many residential safes were broken into or removed entirely from those locations. I'm not interested in, "I have a buddy who had a friend who's safe was broken into but real statistics." I have no proof but feel like the number would be very small. As others have suggested a good heavy safe secured to the floor will defeat all but professionals, and there just aren't that many pros out there.
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Old 10-24-2019, 11:48 AM
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I went down a monstrous weeks-long rabbit hole looking at safes and turns out Sturdy stood way out from the rest.
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Old 01-31-2020, 12:42 PM
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I bought a Stack-on mainly because it is water proof and has a back up key. I know it is not a "real" safe, but for the money.... It is bolted down and bolted to the wall, and has cement and 2x4 walls and top built around it.
As with any box given enough time and determination any thing will fail. For the money this was my choice.
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Old 02-01-2020, 06:15 PM
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Check out C&H Welding/Sun Welding Safes in Simi Valley CA.

https://www.sunweldingsafes.com/
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Old 02-01-2020, 06:37 PM
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A safe likely will.

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As others have suggested a good heavy safe secured to the floor will defeat all but professionals, and there just aren't that many pros out there.
A residential security container, not necessarily. The second most often method used to defeat RSCs after just taking it. Is in fact a peeling attack.
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Old 02-01-2020, 08:08 PM
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I am happy with my old glory RSC gun safe. searched around a few hrs and came across
them. Called and spoke with Rep and 4 weeks later it was here 1400 lbs too!
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Old 02-04-2020, 07:37 PM
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I bought an Amsec (American Security) safe 10 or 12 years ago, after doing a fair amount of research. I have been very happy with it. As mentioned, I did quite a bit of research, looked at a lot of safes and talked to several locksmiths before deciding on the Amsec. There are several other good gun safes, but do your homework. If you make sure your safe's fire protection is NOT sheetrock, you will immediately eliminate a fair number of lesser quality safes.
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Old 02-11-2020, 01:49 AM
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Good info here. I'm in the market for a safe and it seems AMSEC is a well known and trusted safe. Definitely going to look into it
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Old 02-11-2020, 10:34 AM
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Good info here. I'm in the market for a safe and it seems AMSEC is a well known and trusted safe. Definitely going to look into it
There was a huge thread on AR15.com about them, with participation by a factory rep. There were a couple of homes that burnt down completely, the contents of both safes were intact.
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:21 AM
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