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Old 02-16-2020, 04:59 AM
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My perspective - spend what you can afford that you are willing to stake your life on, whether it is striker fired, hammer fired, revolver, or semi-auto. If it's comfortable but you can't shoot well with it - for self defense it is a complete waste of money whatever the cost; if you can't afford it, or it is not comfortable to carry, don't buy it for carry. Get a good gun belt, a good holster, and carry what works BEST for YOU. Cost, as long as it is in you affordability, is not a significant deciding factor. For some of us that is $5k, for some it is $400 - it is about what you shoot well and can afford. The most important thing is get the training to find out what works and what doesn't for YOU.


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Old 02-16-2020, 08:19 AM
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My EDC's are usually a H&K. Rarely a Dan Wesson valued at about $1500. I can replace any of them cheaper than my life or a body part. A friend recently stopped a home invasion. They actually confiscated his gun AND PERMIT. After court costs he was out slightly over $50,000. You can buy some pretty nice guns for $50,000.
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Old 02-16-2020, 08:25 AM
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Interesting. What happens above $1000?
Just a gadget and not a tool at that point for me.
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Old 02-16-2020, 08:55 AM
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I don't carry super expensive guns, I don't carry pot metal wonders.

I honestly haven't put a whole lot of thought into "what if this gun gets confiscated?"

If it happens, it happens. In the end, they are just things, and most of them will still be around after I am long gone. Carry what you want. Life is short.
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Old 02-16-2020, 10:21 AM
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On a related note, how much should I spend on a vehicle that will take me back & forth to work AND be available for road trips or personal shopping? Am I 'safe' buying just a Mercedes/lowly BMW or MUST I get an Aston Martin Vantage or Maybach Exelero?

I wanna fit in...…… LOL And heaven forfend I look at some 'domestic' nonsense like Ford or Chevy......
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Old 02-16-2020, 10:26 AM
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On a related note, how much should I spend on a vehicle that will take me back & forth to work AND be available for road trips or personal shopping? Am I 'safe' buying just a Mercedes/lowly BMW or MUST I get an Aston Martin Vantage or Maybach Exelero?

I wanna fit in... LOL And heaven forfend I look at some 'domestic' nonsense like Ford or Chevy......
Well, I think you should buy what you like and use it as you see fit. I certainly wouldn't buy a Lambo and not drive it because I was worried the wheels might get dirty or worry it might get confiscated because I was driving it too fast.
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Old 02-16-2020, 10:27 AM
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On a related note, how much should I spend on a vehicle that will take me back & forth to work AND be available for road trips or personal shopping? Am I 'safe' buying just a Mercedes/lowly BMW or MUST I get an Aston Martin Vantage or Maybach Exelero?

I wanna fit in... LOL And heaven forfend I look at some 'domestic' nonsense like Ford or Chevy......
Can I trust the safety features of a KIA? How much is my life worth?
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Old 02-16-2020, 10:33 AM
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Since they are shared on my Hyundai SUV, I have NO worries. But yer sayin' I should really just walk or take the bus until I can get that Maybach? - LOL

I hope one day I can win the Lotto too, so I can become a $$$$ snob. lol
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Old 02-16-2020, 10:50 AM
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My perspective - spend what you can afford that you are willing to stake your life on, whether it is striker fired, hammer fired, revolver, or semi-auto. If it's comfortable but you can't shoot well with it - for self defense it is a complete waste of money whatever the cost; if you can't afford it, or it is not comfortable to carry, don't buy it for carry. Get a good gun belt, a good holster, and carry what works BEST for YOU. Cost, as long as it is in you affordability, is not a significant deciding factor. For some of us that is $5k, for some it is $400 - it is about what you shoot well and can afford. The most important thing is get the training to find out what works and what doesn't for YOU.
If you're like me you probably ended up buying and selling off an entire safe full of guns over the years before you finally found "The One". So the entire premise of this thread is actually a bit silly.
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Old 02-16-2020, 10:50 AM
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Since they are shared on my Hyundai SUV, I have NO worries. But yer sayin' I should really just walk or take the bus until I can get that Maybach? - LOL

I hope one day I can win the Lotto too, so I can become a $$$$ snob. lol
I don't think anyone here said that with exception of you yourself.

But even if someone feels that way that's their thing and personally I don't see why that should bother you.

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Old 02-16-2020, 08:07 PM
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Over the years I've carried many different SD handguns, and have never worried about loosing them to an evidence locker should I ever have to use one as intended. I will continue to carry the best performing, most comfortable to carry handgun I can afford. To me my life and the life of my family and friends is priceless so if it doesn't cause me a financial hardship to buy the best I can, that's what I'll do.
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Old 02-16-2020, 09:42 PM
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First hand experience. Walked in on an armed robbery last October. Bad guy shot me. I was hit in my left hand, took a chunk of flesh off my middle finger and came pretty close to taking my ring finger off. A bunch of surgeries and my hand my or my not ever be right. Anyhow....I drew my Kimber Ultra TLE and got a shot off but missed. The SO caught the guy pretty quickly. They took my gun as evidence. The deputy gave me his card and told me to call him when I could which ended up being about three weeks later due to surgeries. He told me I was completely cleared, gave me the number of the deputy in charge of evidence I called her, she said I could come and get my gun. When I picked it up she had done a background check and made sure my carry permit were up to date. She walked me to my car and put my gun in my trunk. After she left I of course I had to check what they did. The gun was in an envolepe. It had the case paperwork and my Kimber and magazine just as it it was before this all happened. The only thing they confiscated was 7 rounds of Speer Gold Dots. Sorry for the long post.

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Old 02-19-2020, 05:29 PM
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As much as you want to
My X9 has been getting a LOT of holster time. In the unlikely event I have to use it, I’ll be just fine with it as long as it works and I win the fight. I can’t readily replace it, but I’ll either wait for it to be returned, or do what I did when I bought it. Save bit by bit over time, and replace it. My life is worth a lot more than some gun, so I won’t let that cost dictate its use
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:31 PM
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I used to work at a large independent gun store in Texas. They will buy good used guns or take them on trade.

One trade they took was a stainless Colt 1911. According to the owner the pistol was involved in a shooting. The police took the pistol as evidence and crudely engraved a case number on the frame.

It was a few years before the owner was able to gain possession of his property. He didn't get the gun back in the same condition that it was when the police took it for evidence. Plus the 1911 had too many bad memories for him so he sold it.

That got me to thinking about how much we spend for an EDC. We want the best we can afford. We don't give any thought what would happen to our prized handgun if it has to be taken into evidence should we have to defend ourselves.

A friend of mine did a stupid thing and was arrested for DWI. Naturally his carry permit came up for review due to the arrest but they confiscated his pistol. They couldn't leave it in the car because it was towed.

This was over a year and a half a go and he still doesn't have it back.

I bought a Tisas 1911 that I wouldn't lose any sleep over if I were involved in a self defense shooting and the police took it for evidence. I paid less than $400 for it. That an a SA XDs 9.
Don't spend any more for a reliable pistol, that you can shoot into a 12" circle at 7 yards- than you can afford to replace. I see guys Jonesing over a $4500 EDC Custom 1911- they have to save for 2-3 years and still only have that one pistol. Use it, and it's in evidence - with a case # etched into it- for a long time. if you can afford a $4500 EDC- then it doesn't matter- you likely have 10-12 more like it. $450-600 or less- If you can get a reliable 1911 for $200- get it.
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:35 PM
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I spend as much as I think is reasonable while getting a handgun that does what I want it and is not something I would be embarrassed to show others. The lower end of that price range seems to be $2k, while the upper is <$4k.
... and losing it would not affect your lifestyle at all. you can AFFORD it. I worry about these young folks struggling to buy their dream pistol- and then want to carry it. They'll be at the pawn shop or Gun Show after they save up enough for that $300-400 gun. Shoulda carried it the first time. I don't worry about being embarrassed over any gun I carry- my concerns are reliability. Image? ROTFLMAO! that's for BBQ guns..
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:55 PM
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As long as me and my family are safe afterwards I could care less about price of gun. They make them every day.
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Old 02-19-2020, 06:01 PM
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If you're like me you probably ended up buying and selling off an entire safe full of guns over the years before you finally found "The One". So the entire premise of this thread is actually a bit silly.
Yes, I've worked through some over the years, but they were for different requirements for the SD role and all served their intended function at the time; times change, and so do the requirements for what can and cannot be carried. So, I have bought and sold many, but the two that have remained constant have been the .40 cal. + revolvers, and .45 ACP 1911, all others that I still have are relegated to training classes for students' use, or staying proficient in several configurations.

It really doesn't matter to ME what the cost is as long as I am confident that it will perform when I need it to, or what type of action it has, or what material it is made of, as far as duty. There is low-cost firearms out there, which for the less fortunate financially folks, are definitely better than a sharp stick - and I would never tell them to get something that they could not afford to get and carry AND practice with to become proficient; if that 9mm, so be it, if it is .40 cal. + then that's okay too. Basic thing is get something that works for YOU (both affordability, reliability, and comfortable enough to carry and practice with to become proficient in the SD role), then that is what is the proper choice for that person. There are always different ergonomics, economics, availability, and legal considerations involved in these choices. This is for many other readers and visitors to the forum since I know you already know this.
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Old 02-19-2020, 07:24 PM
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"Evidence" is something collected after a crime is committed.

I've also seen it said on this site that they no longer engrave case numbers... they all have serial numbers.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:32 PM
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A long time ago I used to wonder about carrying the best pistol I could afford or compromising my life by carrying a cheap gun in the event it gets confiscated as evidence in a self defense shooting. The more I thought about it, the more I finally realized that an EDC firearm is one's life insurance policy. It's a major tool that could very well save one's or one's family/loved one's lives. I'd much rather the police confiscate an expensive pistol than to end up in the morgue or see a loved one in the morgue because I was too darn stupid and too friggin cheap to get the best I could afford.

For those reasons, my EDC is a NHC 1911 pistol in 10mm. It's the most expensive pistol that I own and the best pistol that I own. If it saves my life one day and the police confiscate it, then I will know that it did it's job and I would just get another one to replace it. It can be replaced, my life and other's can't.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:36 PM
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"Evidence" is something collected after a crime is committed.

I've also seen it said on this site that they no longer engrave case numbers... they all have serial numbers.
We didn't deal with a lot of confiscated firearms, but, the ones we did seize, we didn't engrave the firearm. The seizing agent would put his initials on the firearm before entering it into evidence.

As for this thread, in the event of a self defense shooting, the local police will enter your weapon into evidence because it is evidence, until the Grand Jury No Bills you of any crime in the shooting.
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Old 02-19-2020, 11:07 PM
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As for this thread, in the event of a self defense shooting, the local police will enter your weapon into evidence because it is evidence, until the Grand Jury No Bills you of any crime in the shooting.
Just what I read, no first hand knowledge.

Either way, my life is worth more than any gun they could seize.
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Old 02-20-2020, 07:36 AM
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I carry a Taurus 709 Slim that I paid around $220 for. It is a nice gun and it always shoots flawlessly. You do not have to pay huge amounts of money to get a good gun. I do have more expensive guns, but I carry this one because of its compact size. And the Taurus 709 performs just as good as my most expensive gun.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:19 AM
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I don't carry an expensive gun.

I had a top of the line, tricked out, Springfield Armory .45 officer's model that I ordered from my LGS before Kansas passed its CCW laws. When I started EDC with the SA this discussion came up then as well.

There seems to be one absolute in a self-defense shooting. The gun will be confiscated. The only difference in timing is whether you are judged to be legal, or illegal in your actions. And there are all sorts of horror stories about mishandled, disfigured and lost, stolen, misplaced and even purposely destroyed guns in evidence lockers. (I'll leave the legal battle for acquittal and return of my property to USCCA, thank you.)

So I picked up a NIB $400 Rock Island Armory officer's model. I found after initial breakin of 500 rounds the RIA is not only reliable, but more accurate than the SA. So I left the SA locked up and carried the RIA EDC for years.

I eventually sold the SA rather than having it just sit around and bought another RIA as my home backup and rotation gun. With the reliability of the RIA I feel secure in my EDC choice. And with the low investment I'm not going to hesitate dropping my gun if an officer orders me to do so.

The other concern we have here in Kansas is the thieves targeting school parking lots and other gun-free zones. They know that a significant portion of the male population of Kansas carries and are forced to disarm when they go to a courthouse or take a child or grandchild to a school performance or game. And so there are high theft rates from parked cars in such gun-free zones. The quickest vehicles to be hit are the ones with gun related decals on the back windows.

Just facts of life in this modern age.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:57 AM
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It isn't so much about how much the gun cost you but rather how much your willing to spend for a reliable gun that won't fail you when SHTF and you need it to stay alive.
If I can't depend on a gun to be reliable, then I don't need it. My EDC has varied from S&W to Ed Brown, depending on the day. I'm more concerned with daily wear on a gun than loss after a self defense situation.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:16 AM
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First hand experience. Walked in on an armed robbery last October. Bad guy shot me. I was hit in my left hand, took a chunk of flesh off my middle finger and came pretty close to taking my ring finger off. A bunch of surgeries and my hand my or my not ever be right. Anyhow....I drew my Kimber Ultra TLE and got a shot off but missed. The SO caught the guy pretty quickly. They took my gun as evidence. The deputy gave me his card and told me to call him when I could which ended up being about three weeks later due to surgeries. He told me I was completely cleared, gave me the number of the deputy in charge of evidence I called her, she said I could come and get my gun. When I picked it up she had done a background check and made sure my carry permit were up to date. She walked me to my car and put my gun in my trunk. After she left I of course I had to check what they did. The gun was in an envolepe. It had the case paperwork and my Kimber and magazine just as it it was before this all happened. The only thing they confiscated was 7 rounds of Speer Gold Dots. Sorry for the long post.
Geez! Glad you made it out alive. Since you were hit in the hand I assume you had to return fire one handed?
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