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Old 02-08-2020, 07:49 AM
Herbert Cannon Herbert Cannon is offline
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Which do you prefer grip safety or thumb safety

One of the reasons, I like the 1911 so much is the safeties on the pistol. When I look at other pistols, if they do not have some type of safety, I am leery of them. This is one of the reasons I swear off of the Glocks. That bare trigger gives me the heebie jeepies. I have to have a safety for the pistol to meet my personal safety specs.
Some pistols have a thumb safety ( S&W M&P, Sig 320) and some only have a grip safety ( Springfield XD). So which do you prefer and why?
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:27 AM
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I like both the grip safety and thumb safety equally. No particular reason other than being able to keep the hammer down in a holster (almost worry free) and being able to disengage the the safety easily once the pistol is down range. I also like that there is less of a chance of pulling a Tex Grebner and shooting my thigh half way through a draw.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:55 AM
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One of the reasons, I like the 1911 so much is the safeties on the pistol. When I look at other pistols, if they do not have some type of safety, I am leery of them. This is one of the reasons I swear off of the Glocks. That bare trigger gives me the heebie jeepies. I have to have a safety for the pistol to meet my personal safety specs.
Some pistols have a thumb safety ( S&W M&P, Sig 320) and some only have a grip safety ( Springfield XD). So which do you prefer and why?
Grip safeties when properly engineered and used are benign.

One of the most under rated pistols is the Ruger SR-9. Glockish but ….!

I like the thumb safety. I refer to it as the "granny switch". There are several documented case of women getting shot with their own pistols when children or grand children find their gun and of course "pull the trigger"! The "granny switch" can mitigate this.

The thumb safety can also mitigate "Glock leg"! "Glock leg" occurs during holstering and "something" gets inside the trigger guard and depresses the trigger during holstering.

The SR-9 thumb safety is operated during holstering and then deactivated while holstered. After all it too has the "Safe Action Trigger"!

So ….

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Old 02-08-2020, 09:56 AM
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I have guns with and without. No preference actually, I don't carry any 1911 style pistols so I mostly ignore the various mechanical safeties and rely on the one that connects my brain to my trigger finger.

Like the ancient gun safety 'proverb' - "Keep yer booger-hook off'n the bang-switch."
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:19 AM
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The thumb safety can also mitigate "Glock leg"! "Glock leg" occurs during holstering and "something" gets inside the trigger guard and depresses the trigger during holstering. ....,
Also known as "Tex Grebner leg"...... although even he was using a 1911....

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Old 02-08-2020, 10:34 AM
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Also known as "Tex Grebner leg"...... although even he was using a 1911....
Although similar, they are 2 different phenomena, with 2 distinctly different causes...
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:39 AM
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While I like both I have grown to really like the thumb safety to the point where I am down to only one handgun (a Glock) that doesn't have a thumb safety.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:46 AM
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For me personally manual systems as implemented on a 1911 are essentially not there due to practice so I really don't think about it. I like the fact the design when in safe is locked completely and it's instant to disengage everything and gives a high degree of confidence in terms of the weapon being resistant to idiocy

Grip system is nice in the event of a drop, but some find it to not activate 100% of the time
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:06 AM
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The grip safety is passive, just as is the trigger bar safety that Glock uses... normal use disengages them, so they do little to protect against operator headspace and timing fault- which is by far the most common "safety" failure....
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:14 AM
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At heart, I am a 1911 guy...so grip for me. Either way, I am very deliberate when I reach for any gun...the safety is one of many things I am thinking about when my hand starts to touch a gun...handgun, shotgun, rifle...whatever.

There are rules for a reason...follow them and the safety function/button/whatever is just part of using the tool.
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:33 AM
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I wouldn't put too much faith in the 1911 grip safety - it only blocks the trigger and will prevent you form firing the gun with a less than perfect grip on many 1911s. Mine are all pinned down.

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Old 02-08-2020, 11:46 AM
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As long as I consider the gun to be of good quality and safe overall, I'm not uncomfortable with any of the safety systems. I can say though, that years ago when the large PD where I was employed started transitioning to Glocks, there were some ugly incidents, with injuries. One I know of, very serious with two people injured....
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:59 AM
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My carry guns include government model 1911s in .45 ACP and 10mm with both grip and thumb safeties, a Springfield Armory XDM .40 S&W with grip safety only, an S&W 1006 10mm with a thumb safety/decocker only, a Glock G35 .40 S&W with a trigger safety only, and revolvers with no safeties. I have no problems shooting or carrying any of them.
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Old 02-08-2020, 12:52 PM
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The grip safety is passive, just as is the trigger bar safety that Glock uses... normal use disengages them, so they do little to protect against operator headspace and timing fault- which is by far the most common "safety" failure....
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:28 PM
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I don’t care for either one on any pistol filling a self-defense role.
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:55 PM
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Although similar, they are 2 different phenomena, with 2 distinctly different causes...
True dat. But when I think of the outcome, I can only think of Tex's classic line:

"I just EFFING SHOT MYSELF"!!!
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Old 02-08-2020, 02:22 PM
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I donít care for either one on any pistol filling a self-defense role.
I'm with you on that. I'm not a fan of safety's on handguns.
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:45 PM
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I donít care for either one on any pistol filling a self-defense role.
^^This^^

is a training issue.

I like both, but the thumb safety is useable as it is selectable, while the grip safety is automatically on or off.
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Old 02-08-2020, 05:57 PM
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With my 1911's I obviously have the grip safety, and I use the thumb safety. I have never had a problem with the grip safety and feel confident that it won't cause problems.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:07 PM
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I donít care for either one on any pistol filling a self-defense role.
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I'm with you on that. I'm not a fan of safety's on handguns.
Participating on this forum, you guys must feel like the guy that hates pasta and is now dining at an Italian restaurant.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:14 PM
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^^This^^

is a training issue.

I like both, but the thumb safety is useable as it is selectable, while the grip safety is automatically on or off.
If its solely a training issue, then "trained professionals" by the thousands, probably 10s of thousands, have conclusively demonstrated that they were NOT "trained"....
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:43 PM
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Ah....safeties. My view on this topic has evolved. Personally, I think they get in the way.

Case in point.....I lost count of the number of times I have seen a shooter in league F up because they forgot to disengage it. Happens in SD too.

On the other hand, I can see their merit.

Skilled shooters who really understand how to use a firearm are really the only okra that know how to use them, but don’t need them 🙂

And I also think it depends where the gun is used and how carried and if it’s SA or not.

Personally, I am a fan of guns with hammers and decockers....safety or not...or wheel guns when sitting next to my skin.
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I wouldn't put too much faith in the 1911 grip safety - it only blocks the trigger and will prevent you from firing the gun with a less than perfect grip on many 1911s. Mine are all pinned down.
Absolutely agree.

The grip safety is probably more often a liability than a genuine safety benefit.

It's not much of a safety to begin with, since it merely blocks the trigger bar, and "sensitized" examples will often let the trigger "slip".

Much more important, though, is the fact that an imperfect or "panic" grip may well not release the grip safety, making the gun impossible to fire in a genuine emergency situation without readjusting one's grip.

The Novak "Answer" solid 1911 backstrap that was offered several years ago was a good solution to the GS problem, but was unfortunately very overpriced (IMO) and was subsequently discontinued.

My grip safeties are all "sensitized" or pinned.

The thumb safety OTOH is a gem; well thought out, blocks the sear, reliable, easy both to actuate and release.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:47 PM
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Ah....safeties. My view on this topic has evolved. Personally, I think they get in the way.

Case in point.....I lost count of the number of times I have seen a shooter in league F up because they forgot to disengage it. Happens in SD too.

On the other hand, I can see their merit.

Skilled shooters who really understand how to use a firearm are really the only okra that know how to use them, but donít need them 🙂

And I also think it depends where the gun is used and how carried and if itís SA or not.

Personally, I am a fan of guns with hammers and decockers....safety or not...or wheel guns when sitting next to my skin.
Practice and practice some more! Not operating a functional part of the firearm indicates lack of training or needs more training.

Don't blame the gun!
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:10 PM
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Both are good. I do not disable ANY safety device on my 1911s. My grip safeties function. My thumb safeties function. As intended. Granted the grip safety takes less than 2 lbs to disengage on my pistols. If you can't get a proper enough grip to disengage that you need to go back and learn basic shooting fundamentals. The thumb safety blocks the sear AND the hammer as well as slide movement and there is NO play in that. I do not own any 1911s that have a firing pin block. But all of my 1911s have titanium firing pins with a heavier FP spring. You can drop them from 10 feet muzzle first onto concrete and they will not fire.

The key is to KNOW your firearm and practice safe operation. This means getting a proper grip and disengaging the thumb safety AT THE PROPER TIME. That is part of the responsibility of owning and using a gun.
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