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Old 02-06-2020, 07:52 PM
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SA Mil-Spec Made in USA now?

Are the current production SA 1911s, in particular the Mil-Spec, still made by Imbel in Brazil? I just saw a YT video where the gun store said that they were now made in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn4EAlg2qb0
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Old 02-06-2020, 08:11 PM
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Imbel and Springfield have no ties anymore . The relationship ended in 2017
Since then Springfield has made a number of in house changes and most if not
all work , parts . finishes , etc have been moved in house .
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:53 PM
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Imbel and Springfield have no ties anymore . The relationship ended in 2017
Since then Springfield has made a number of in house changes and most if not
all work , parts . finishes , etc have been moved in house .
It was earlier than that. My first RO was American made and I bought that in like 2014.
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:56 PM
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It was earlier than that. My first RO was American made and I bought that in like 2014.
I believe that ALL Range Officers are and have always been made in the USA.



I could be wrong....but that is my understanding.
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Old 02-06-2020, 10:47 PM
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I believe that ALL Range Officers are and have always been made in the USA.



I could be wrong....but that is my understanding.
I forget the year they came out, but mine was made before they started tagging guns as American made. I called them about mine, and they confirmed it was made here.

They are tight lipped about parts suppliers though.
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Old 02-06-2020, 11:14 PM
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Dude on a Springfield Facebook group claims he's a former executive at Springfield. He claims everything is Chinese.
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Old 02-06-2020, 11:29 PM
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Ha! My XDM was made in Croatia.
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Old 02-07-2020, 03:14 AM
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Dude on a Springfield Facebook group claims he's a former executive at Springfield. He claims everything is Chinese.
Maybe that explains the little dots on some of the small parts?
Looks like the part was broken off from a bigger part?

BUT, my two Range Officers are OUTSTANDING 1911 pistols.
Very accurate and have never malfunctioned.
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Old 02-07-2020, 04:49 AM
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It was earlier than that. My first RO was American made and I bought that in like 2014.



That line started the in house production . They bought the Aldi next door
and expanded .

The end of 2016 going into 2017 the press release was issued about the
break with Imbel . I maybe a little off so it may have been the middle of 2016
when all ties were broken .
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Old 02-07-2020, 04:54 AM
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Dude on a Springfield Facebook group claims he's a former executive at Springfield. He claims everything is Chinese.




Well if its on Facebook it has to be true .
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Old 02-07-2020, 07:45 AM
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Thanks for the replies. My Imbel GI (2008) is a very good 1911. I'd be interested in taking a close look at SA's current Mil-Spec.

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Old 02-07-2020, 07:57 AM
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Were all the NMXXXXX prefixed 1911's made in the U.S.?

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Old 02-07-2020, 08:02 AM
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Were all the NMXXXXX prefixed 1911's made in the U.S.?

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My understanding of the NM prefix is that it means a majority of the assembly was done in the US. Parts were still manufactured in Brazil.
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Old 02-07-2020, 10:38 AM
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I just bought a Springfield Armory 1911 thumb safety and it says on the package, "Made In USA".
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Old 02-07-2020, 10:46 AM
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Well if its on Facebook it has to be true .


Exactly. Guy wasnt old to be out of diapers in the 90ís. He has since left the group. Imagine that.



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Old 02-07-2020, 01:32 PM
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Guess who was working at Springfield at the time period posted by "Justin Pratt" above. Never heard of Justin Pratt. The job title kills me. "VIP Chairman to the Executive Director of Sales Operations Manager" No position ever existed. China is not a player in S.A. parts...at all.
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Old 02-07-2020, 02:08 PM
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NM not marked Imbel

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My understanding of the NM prefix is that it means a majority of the assembly was done in the US. Parts were still manufactured in Brazil.
I have seen several and they are not marked Imbel that's what generated my question!

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Old 02-07-2020, 03:48 PM
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all my springfields say where they were built I believe.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:46 AM
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all my springfields say where they were built I believe.
The problem with the word "built" is that it can mean a lot of things. I think in the case of Springfield, there was a time where the manufacturing of parts and the majority of the assembly was done in Brazil with some final fitting and assy done in the US. Then they began doing some assembly in Brazil but the majority of the fitting and final assembly was done in the US (and I believe those pistols have the NM s/n prefix). Now there seems to be a question as to how much of the actual manufacturing is done here...which I have no idea. Not saying I'm right, just saying this is my understanding after reading a lot of threads over the years on the subject.
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Old 02-08-2020, 03:22 PM
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The problem with the word "built" is that it can mean a lot of things. I think in the case of Springfield, there was a time where the manufacturing of parts and the majority of the assembly was done in Brazil with some final fitting and assy done in the US. Then they began doing some assembly in Brazil but the majority of the fitting and final assembly was done in the US (and I believe those pistols have the NM s/n prefix). Now there seems to be a question as to how much of the actual manufacturing is done here...which I have no idea. Not saying I'm right, just saying this is my understanding after reading a lot of threads over the years on the subject.

See you are right and wrong its all in the details . It really depends on the
line of pistol your talking about . Some pistol lines were made and assembled
in Brazil . Some pistol lines only the frames and slides were made in Brazil .
Then the rest lines were made and assembled in the US . SACS has always been US .

Over time , more and more was being shifted to the US , 2010 thur 2014 till
finally just some of the frames and slides were Brazilian sourced . Towards
the end like 2013- 2014 . Then finally the whole switch kicked in to Imbel
Brazil being fazed completely out , and all US fazed in by 2015 -2016 . That
is when you started seeing all the . made in the USA tags , being placed on
all product lines .

Some of the older larger more squared off dust cover Brazilian frames I
really liked .

In today's times its now so much easier for quality control and with on time
production delivery methods , along with new CNC technology for things to
be US based .
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:51 PM
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See you are right and wrong its all in the details . It really depends on the
line of pistol your talking about . Some pistol lines were made and assembled
in Brazil . Some pistol lines only the frames and slides were made in Brazil .
Then the rest lines were made and assembled in the US . SACS has always been US .

Over time , more and more was being shifted to the US , 2010 thur 2014 till
finally just some of the frames and slides were Brazilian sourced . Towards
the end like 2013- 2014 . Then finally the whole switch kicked in to Imbel
Brazil being fazed completely out , and all US fazed in by 2015 -2016 . That
is when you started seeing all the . made in the USA tags , being placed on
all product lines .

Some of the older larger more squared off dust cover Brazilian frames I
really liked .

In today's times its now so much easier for quality control and with on time
production delivery methods , along with new CNC technology for things to
be US based .
Thanks for all that. So can you give your take on the significance of the NM prefix?
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:52 PM
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Thanks for all that. So can you give your take on the significance of the NM prefix?


I can only go back to the year 2000 on this . Before 2000 / 1999
my history is weak because of the mixture . So 1999 / 2000 on
NM stamped frames that also say GENESEO IL USA . Are USA based
pistol's , meaning that only Raw uncut forgings may or may not have
been US sourced . Everything else is made and assembled in the US .

The frames that have Brazil marked into the under side of the dust
cover were frames that were cut and made into frames in Brazil .
Then assembled in the US .

Before 2000 Its a mixed bag . You had Brazilian TRP's , etc
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:19 PM
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I can only go back to the year 2000 on this . Before 2000 / 1999
my history is weak because of the mixture . So 1999 / 2000 on
NM stamped frames that also say GENESEO IL USA . Are USA based
pistol's , meaning that only Raw uncut forgings may or may not have
been US sourced . Everything else is made and assembled in the US .

The frames that have Brazil marked into the under side of the dust
cover were frames that were cut and made into frames in Brazil .
Then assembled in the US .

Before 2000 Its a mixed bag . You had Brazilian TRP's , etc
Cool. That's pretty consistent with what I've heard elsewhere. Thank you sir.
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