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Old 12-26-2019, 11:19 AM
Herbert Cannon Herbert Cannon is offline
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Advice on purchase of a 1911

I am looking for a single stack, lightweight, commander 9mm with a light rail. Please eliminate Wilson Combat, Nighthawk ( Les Baer does not make lightweights) and Ed Brown from the search. Include Dan Wesson and other not so pricey manufacturers and give me some suggestions as to where I might find such a 1911.
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Old 12-26-2019, 11:33 AM
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The Dan Wesson Specialist seems to be what you're looking for. Also look at the Dan Wesson TCP, though the barrel is a bit shorter at 4".

It looks like Smith and Wesson doesn't offer a commander with rail. It looks like SIG does not offer a commander with rail either. Interesting...Ruger doesn't offer one either.

Rock Island offers their TAC Ultra CS 9mm, but it is a compact 1911 with 3 1/2" barrel.

STI has their Staccato C, but that's also a compact gun with 3.9" barrel.

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Old 12-26-2019, 11:37 AM
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Off the top of my head, the only production gun that covers your requirements would be a DW TCP. The rail is the kicker. Springfield has a Champion with a rail, but is in 45 only (stop with Hellcats and stuff we don't want!), and most other commanders with a rail in 9mm are not lightweight.

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Old 12-26-2019, 01:26 PM
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I'm not a fan of the rails, but I can offer some advice. Shoot an email off the Dan Wesson's customer service and ask them what a TCP, or any other model you like, would cost with a rail or anything else you might like. I asked them about building me an ECP with an ambidextrous thumb safety and a recessed slide stop, all duty treated. It would be $325 more than the standard ECP. Good luck!

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Old 12-26-2019, 01:28 PM
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guns90,
Isn't the TCP standard with a rail?

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Old 12-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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You're right, Shorikid. I was merely trying to let him know that his options aren't that limited, if he's willing to pay for it.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:06 PM
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You're right, Shorikid. I was merely trying to let him know that his options aren't that limited, if he's willing to pay for it.
Ok, just making sure I didn't get things mixed up. I hear DW is great about working things over in the shop if you ask.

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Old 12-26-2019, 05:51 PM
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I am looking for a single stack, lightweight, commander 9mm with a light rail. Please eliminate Wilson Combat, Nighthawk ( Les Baer does not make lightweights) and Ed Brown from the search. Include Dan Wesson and other not so pricey manufacturers and give me some suggestions as to where I might find such a 1911.
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/com...co-9mm-blk-425

Not a true Commander since that the grip is truncated instead of full size but otherwise meets your other requirements of 9mm lightweight railed Commander.
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:11 AM
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It appears that cost IS a factor, so you are going to be limited to stock.
It wonít take long to eliminate/add to your list. Just go to each manufacturer site and take a look.
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Old 12-27-2019, 03:17 PM
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A Ford F-150, in it's basic configuration, costs ~$20K. Once you add EVERYTHING available to that same truck, it costs almost $50K. It's similar with guns. You can buy the basic, and add to it (at an even higher cost) or you can save and order it the way you want it.

I'm 5'4" tall and slender. It's hard concealing a full-size 1911. I knew exactly what I wanted when I decided to purchase. My Dan Wesson ECP was the only pistol that met my requirements of a 4" barrel, .45, with a bobtail that weighed under 30 oz. I wanted it with a recessed slide stop to ensure non-interference with Crimson Trace grips I was going to put on. I also wanted an ambidextrous thumb safety because I train with both hands. I wanted all of this duty treated after the build. The cost to have it built this way was more than I was willing to pay, so I bought the stock gun, and will have a local gunsmith install the ambi safety and file down the slide stop like he did on my Kimber. It will be just as functional, just not as pretty.

After all this rambling, my point is, to get THE gun I wanted, the ECP, decked out out they way I wanted it, would have cost as much as a basic Wilson Combat. You get what you pay for. It's so important to know what you want and will be happy with, first.
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Old 12-28-2019, 08:57 AM
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The moral to the story is: Spend the money and get what you want, even if you have to save a while longer. Also keep in mind that once you dump a bunch into ďalteringĒ a stock item, you will rarely get it back out if you decide to sell. See, isnít this fun!! Seriously though.......skimp for a few months if thatís what it takes. Youíll sleep much better!!
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Old 12-28-2019, 10:57 AM
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Also keep in mind that once you dump a bunch into ďalteringĒ a stock item, you will rarely get it back out if you decide to sell.
Maybe it's just me, but I honestly don't know how many people consider resale value when buying a gun. Seem to be a lot more these days, though. Coming from a military career, I never even considered the thought of resale value on any purchase I ever made. A firearm is nothing more than a tool, and I never purchased a socket set or a screwdriver thinking of how much I could get for it down the road. Everything I've ever bought was supposed to be with me the rest of my life, so I bought the best I could afford. I guess you could call this a "poor man's perspective."
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Old 12-28-2019, 12:16 PM
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The moral to the story is: Spend the money and get what you want, even if you have to save a while longer. Also keep in mind that once you dump a bunch into ďalteringĒ a stock item, you will rarely get it back out if you decide to sell. See, isnít this fun!! Seriously though.......skimp for a few months if thatís what it takes. Youíll sleep much better!!
^^^ And let the congregation ALL say... "AMEN!"

I just gave this same advice about 5 minutes ago on M4C!!!


Otherwise, you want this.

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Old 12-28-2019, 12:35 PM
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If you're willing to take a 45 over a 9mm that still fulfills the rest of the criteria, Springfield makes a 4" 1911 with a light rail on an alloy frame.

Not quite what you're looking for but it'll get you close to what you want for under $1,000.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/p...weight-45-acp/
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Old 12-28-2019, 07:02 PM
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Consider a STI

I have a couple of Dan Wessons. They are awesome 1911s. I believe you actually get what you pay for with them.
I also have an STI Tactical. It is a 4" 45. STI makes a lot of their 1911s in both 9mm and 45. They are very well known for their race guns. However, they make great SD daily carries, and the quality is next to none.
The STI was one of my best firearm purchases, and it was close to the price of my Dan Wessons.
https://stiguns.com/2019-product-lineup/dvc-o/
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:37 PM
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I have a Night Hawk Custom and two Dan Wesson 1911's, all 10mm. I recently purchased a new stainless steel DW 1911 Specialist Commander in 9mm off of Gunbroker. I paid less than $1,300 for it and all of the other ones were going for $1,500. Check out Gunbroker for that occasional "great" deal that they do have. I will give this one to my daughter because she has a problem trying to pull the slide back on my 10mm 1911's, but, the 9mm 1911 has a light enough spring that she can handle it. Just shot it and it was flawless right out of the box. It has everything - night sights, light rail, magwell, match grade barrel, and match grade trigger. I highly recommend this one.

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Old 12-29-2019, 10:07 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but I honestly don't know how many people consider resale value when buying a gun. Seem to be a lot more these days, though. Coming from a military career, I never even considered the thought of resale value on any purchase I ever made. A firearm is nothing more than a tool, and I never purchased a socket set or a screwdriver thinking of how much I could get for it down the road. Everything I've ever bought was supposed to be with me the rest of my life, so I bought the best I could afford. I guess you could call this a "poor man's perspective."
But you see, it works the other way too. If you make a purchase solely by the products ability to hold its value, there is a reason. It must be good/in demand, so why not? Especially if you really like it. So, if you like it AND it has great resale potential, you canít go wrong. On the other hand, if you like it and it has a crappy resale value, donít blame the gun gods. For instance, there are certain black plastic guns made by the millions that will be worth half of what you paid for them a year later. If that doesnít bug you, thatís great. I personally like a bit more value and dislike cheap black plastic!
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Old 12-29-2019, 10:25 AM
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But you see, it works the other way too. If you make a purchase solely by the products ability to hold its value, there is a reason. It must be good/in demand, so why not? Especially if you really like it. So, if you like it AND it has great resale potential, you can’t go wrong. On the other hand, if you like it and it has a crappy resale value, don’t blame the gun gods. For instance, there are certain black plastic guns made by the millions that will be worth half of what you paid for them a year later. If that doesn’t bug you, that’s great. I personally like a bit more value and dislike cheap black plastic!
I agree with you and find no value with those plastic fantastics and would always much rather pay more for something I truly like.

However what your not recognizing is that 50% at $500 is $250 where 20% at $3000 is $600. Just because something retains more value doesn't mean it still doesn't end up costing you more. Often it can also be more difficult to sell something that cost $2600 vs $250.

I guess it just all depends what percentage and what you pay but you have to do your homework and even then there are not any guarantees. But I think you would find todays market is not the most favorable and you would be hard pressed to find more of those which even if you only lose 20% you are still going to lose more actual money if you are one of those who doesn't make more choices you hang onto. Besides as a buyer why would I ever buy something used where the discount for doing so doesn't benefit me?

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Old 12-30-2019, 06:28 AM
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OK, so then itís settled!
You will not sell it and have agreed that $3000 is a good target price to go after!
Believe me, you will sleep like a little kid!!
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Old 12-30-2019, 06:36 AM
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Heres my Guncrafter commander 9mm LW with a rail. The other (black)is my GI railed commander 45. The 45 is a steel frame but without the slide cuts for illustration purposes. Check out Cajun Concealed website. Tyler is a great guy and excellent to work with.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:35 PM
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A Ford F-150, in it's basic configuration, costs ~$20K. Once you add EVERYTHING available to that same truck, it costs almost $50K. It's similar with guns. You can buy the basic, and add to it (at an even higher cost) or you can save and order it the way you want it.
Interesting way to put things. Allow me to add another way of looking at it

Ford can not build me the truck i want. But they do have the platform I want which is a coyote/10r/fx4. So I have to add other things I want.

OP, do you know which features on a 1911 you want? I just got into the 1911 world two weeks ago when I bought my first 1911. Price wasn't an issue for me. But I went in the 500-800 range just to see what I want and don't want in the platform.

I watched tons of YouTube video reviews and read tons of threads on different pistols. I have yet to see a detail explination of what makes one vendor better than the next. It comes down to features for me. So I'm going to shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds THEN see what I want from my 1911.
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Old 12-31-2019, 12:28 AM
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Frustrating when you cannot get exactly what you want! Since you are on a budget, here is another possibility to get the functionality you want.

This is, to some, the "ugly but cheap" option - but it really does work - and the Israelis are nothing if not practical gun people. Just find any Lightweight Commander you want and bolt it on! I just bought one to try on my M1991, along with an Omnivore holster. I want a full sized 1911 with a light, but the difference between $1500 and $50 made this worth trying, to me.

https://www.recovertactical.com/

The Recover Tactical Rail is a grip replacement/rail "enclosure" that closely fits a Government or Commander frame and adds a full rail to either. No modifications to the gun and takes about three minutes to put on or take off. Available in two models and multiple colors, and they have built a dedicated Rail Gun Holster to take the popular lighting systems, or you can use an Omnivore, etc.. Just got mine last week, but I read a lot of reviews first. And if I don't like it, I'm only out fifty bucks!

I'm sure a search here will net some comments. CC
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Old 12-31-2019, 06:47 AM
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Thatís kinda interesting.......although I would just buy a gun with a rail in the first place if thatís what I wanted. Thank god the one shown for the Glock doesnít cover up the rest of the nice factory plastic finish!
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Old 12-31-2019, 02:57 PM
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Many folks here have a "sufficient" number (what sufficient is varies) of excellent 1911s on hand already - and no actual need of another - but would really like at least one to have a rail. Since the OP indicated a desire not to go "high end" I thought this might open up some possibilities for him at a very reasonable cost.

I too would love a new Colt Rail Gun - but I can certainly use $1500 in a lot of other ways. One thing the YouTube reviewers have pointed out is how this grip system "protects" the metal frame from dings and wear in the holster. Many will find it a bit ugly (and I do, too) but for pure functionally, it will do what is needed - and comes off in three minutes if you should want to change back...... CC

PS - and it takes any "old traditional 1911" and makes it instantly "Tacticool" at the Range! CC
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:22 PM
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1911 lw commander

I have two Ruger lw commanders a 9mm &45acp. Both have been very reliable , accurate and a pleasure to shoot & carry. The grip safety rattles a little but not when you shoot , it only goes bang. save some $$$ and get lots of ammo.
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