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Old 02-15-2020, 02:40 PM
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New Optics on the Hellcat..

Looked everywhere online and no one had in stock. Walked into a gun shop in Maine....and they had two on the shelf. Now I have one.



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Old 02-15-2020, 02:50 PM
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SMSc? That's a new one, I thought the hellcat was using the RMSc
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:57 PM
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somewhat kills the whole "I need a purpose built easily hidden in a pocket semi auto" when you put a big honking sight on top of it
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Old 02-15-2020, 04:05 PM
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somewhat kills the whole "I need a purpose built easily hidden in a pocket semi auto" when you put a big honking sight on top of it
Nooo, I donít pocket carry. I use a belt holster and the sight fits most Hellcat holsters . The sight is tiny, weighs about what a raisin weighs. Donít like it, donít get one. Works for most people, they canít them in stock anywhere.
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Old 02-15-2020, 05:44 PM
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Have you shot it yet? Been thinking about picking one up but as you said they are hard to find. Also thinking about the sig 365.
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Old 02-15-2020, 06:09 PM
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Very nice.
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Old 02-15-2020, 06:28 PM
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Have you shot it yet? Been thinking about picking one up but as you said they are hard to find. Also thinking about the sig 365.
Plan on a range trip Monday
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Old 02-15-2020, 07:45 PM
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somewhat kills the whole "I need a purpose built easily hidden in a pocket semi auto" when you put a big honking sight on top of it
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Nooo, I donít pocket carry. I use a belt holster and the sight fits most Hellcat holsters . The sight is tiny, weighs about what a raisin weighs. Donít like it, donít get one. Works for most people, they canít them in stock anywhere.
pocketsaver merely gave his valid opinion. If you don't want negative feedback then you are in the wrong hobby.
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Old 02-15-2020, 07:49 PM
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somewhat kills the whole "I need a purpose built easily hidden in a pocket semi auto" when you put a big honking sight on top of it
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Have you shot it yet? Been thinking about picking one up but as you said they are hard to find. Also thinking about the sig 365.
Probably not bought for pocket use, likely a small belt gun.

It shoots better on the clock and slightly worse slowfire and overall I prefer it's shape
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:50 PM
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pocketsaver merely gave his valid opinion. If you don't want negative feedback then you are in the wrong hobby.
The OP said nothing about pocket carry his optic mounted Hellcat. Somebody ASSumed so.

Had the OP said that he was going to carry the gun with red dot mounted in his pocket then the opinion would have been ďvalidĒ. Otherwise the ASSumption was and is as worthless as teats on a wild boar.
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:53 PM
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Looked everywhere online and no one had in stock. Walked into a gun shop in Maine....and they had two on the shelf. Now I have one.



The ergonomics of the Hellcat turned me off but I like the idea of a subcompact cut for an ultra lightweight mini-red dot. If SIG Sauer were to come out with a P365 (not XL or whatever but the original model) cut for a mini-red dot, Iíd be over it like fly on feces.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:22 PM
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The OP said nothing about pocket carry his optic mounted Hellcat. Somebody ASSumed so.

Had the OP said that he was going to carry the gun with red dot mounted in his pocket then the opinion would have been ďvalidĒ. Otherwise the ASSumption was and is as worthless as teats on a wild boar.
interesting, a gun SOLD at retailers as a pocket gun.... gee even some ASSumer like yourself should be able to see the idiocy of putting a sight on a gun that's not meant for more then muzzle contact
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:56 PM
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The OP said nothing about pocket carry his optic mounted Hellcat. Somebody ASSumed so.

Had the OP said that he was going to carry the gun with red dot mounted in his pocket then the opinion would have been “valid”. Otherwise the ASSumption was and is as worthless as teats on a wild boar.
interesting, a gun SOLD at retailers as a pocket gun.... gee even some ASSumer like yourself should be able to see the idiocy of putting a sight on a gun that's not meant for more then muzzle contact
What? It shoots way past contact ranges quite well......
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:53 PM
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interesting, a gun SOLD at retailers as a pocket gun....
Unlike you, I ASSume nothing. The below link is Springfield Armory's page on the Hellcat. For a gun that is SOLD at retailers as a pocket gun...I wonder why Springfield Armory has pictures of people carrying it and drawing it from a concealed holster? Maybe you know something about the Hellcat that Springfield Armory doesn't know?


https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellcat-features/

What a strange way to carry a pocket pistol. Silly Springfield Armory, don't they know that the retailers were selling these pistols as pocket guns?



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Old 02-16-2020, 12:08 AM
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gee even some ASSumer like yourself should be able to see the idiocy of putting a sight on a gun that's not meant for more then muzzle contact
Stupid Springfield Armory/HS Produkt for making a pocket gun with sights. Don't they know that these guns are not meant for much more than muzzle contact shooting?

Not just Springfield Armory/HS Produkt but Glock, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Ruger, SIG Sauer, Taurus, Kel-Tec, ad nauseam. Why are they putting sights on these muzzle contact guns? I mean, why didn't they consult you for gun designs first?

Jesus H. Christ, even Beretta - with its 500-years history of gunmaking, puts sights on their pocket pistols.

So stupid.

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g43

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...rd-38-no-laser
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-bodyguard-380

https://colt.com/detail-page/colt-ni...rips-hard-case

https://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/models.html
https://www.ruger.com/products/sp101...eets/5720.html
https://www.ruger.com/products/lc9s/models.html
https://www.ruger.com/products/lcpII/models.html

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-...o-compact.html
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p238-...o-compact.html

https://www.taurususa.com/firearms/pistols/22-poly/
https://www.taurususa.com/firearms/pistols/g2c/

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/p32/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/pico/?...940.1581833131
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/21-a-bobcat/
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Old 02-16-2020, 02:33 PM
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SMSc? That's a new one, I thought the hellcat was using the RMSc
The SMSc is sold by Springfield Armory only. The only difference between the RMSc and the SMSc is the SMSc is polymer instead of aluminum.

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Old 02-16-2020, 02:38 PM
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somewhat kills the whole "I need a purpose built easily hidden in a pocket semi auto" when you put a big honking sight on top of it
I don't pocket carry this either, but I do have this as my EDC. I love red dots now that I have three of them. This particular optic is so small you can't even notice it.

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Old 02-16-2020, 10:21 PM
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For the comment "contact" carry gun - mine with iron sight shoots accurately out to 15 yds!
Haven't tried it with the optic yet.

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Old 02-17-2020, 07:40 AM
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I betcha a shiny nickel Hickok45 could ring his 230 yard gong with one. He CAN do it with a Glock 23 & 27. Saw the vids.

I am hoping that my LGS gets one for their rental counter. It sure seems to be a dandy machine.
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Old 03-11-2020, 07:04 PM
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interesting, a gun SOLD at retailers as a pocket gun.... gee even some ASSumer like yourself should be able to see the idiocy of putting a sight on a gun that's not meant for more then muzzle contact
I realize this member is banned now, but in response to his post,

I own many 'Pocket Pistols' which means you can carry then in your pocket, but you don't have to. I own IWB and OWB and pocket holsters for several different pocket pistols, drawing even a small pistol from the pocket is slower usually, I reserve pocket carry for a backup.

I have shot some at 102 yards with good results, muzzle contact unnecessary for me.
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Old 03-11-2020, 07:26 PM
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Not sure why all the hate on the Hellcat. I picked up a optic ready version a few weeks back. Took it to the range two weeks ago and really liked the feel, the accuracy and how easy it is to pick up the stock sights. I got the optic ready one since it was just $20 more, probable will not put a red dot on it but it is there in case I do. It is not a pocket gun, at least not my pockets, but easier to conceal than my g26 or EMP. My sig 938 is mor a pocket gun.
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