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Old 04-16-2019, 06:59 AM
Diehard1 Diehard1 is offline
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SW1911 108282 Canít Top Off Magazine

This is my first post. I love this forum and find a ton of information here, and has helped me jump into the 1911 platform. I have searched for the following information but cannot find anything, and hoping I can get some help.
I bought a BNIB discontinued model number 108282. I took it to the range and it ran flawlessly. Towards the end of my range time I inserted one of the fully loaded 8rd Factory mags it came with, chambered a round, topped off the mag and tried to insert it, but it would not seat. I tried tapping it in a few times with a good amount of force but it still would not seat. I also tried tapping the mag to make sure the rounds were seated properly in the mag. I tried this with both mags it came with, a brand new Wilson Combat ETM500 8rd, and a slightly used Wilson Combat 8rd mag, and a slightly used CM 8rd mag. Same thing. I am using Factory brass American Eagle 230gr ball ammo, and other quality factory brass. I just canít seem to be able to be able to top off any mag after chambering a round with any magazine and ammo, and get the mag to seat fully loaded with one in the pipe. Iím not new to 1911s, or firearms in general. Iíve never had this issue or ever heard of it. I call S&W and customer service advised me that the mags had to break in a little due to the springs being new and stiff. I have tried a couple different used quality mags from a couple friends after this discussion, but still have the same issue. If anyone has any information or can provide any ideas I would be very greatful, as I feel like Iíve tried just about everything I can think of at the moment to address this issue to make sure itís not me, or any of the stuff Iím using. Everything else seems and feels great. I just canít seem to seat any loaded 8rd mag while having one in the chamber. I also field stripped the gun and checked to make sure that the rounds were seating deep enough into the barrel and seemed to be fine. I did a side by side comparison with another S&W1911 my friend has and they both looked exactly the same. Anyone have any ideas?
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:25 AM
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Since this is occurring with several different magazines it is probably a bullet profile issue.

The bullet is jamming against the bottom of the disconnector rail while the slide is in battery.

If you top off the magazine with the slide to the rear the magazine seats and functions properly, is that correct?

Have you tried a different bullet profile?

Are these the flush fit or slightly extended magazines?

There are also other solutions such as a lowered magazine catch, ledge.

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Old 04-16-2019, 11:03 AM
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Thank you for the reply. Correct, they are not flush fitting magazines. I have tried a few different types, but none have been flush fitting. I will try that next. I have tried a few different types of quality factory brass ammo and that hasnít helped.
And yes, I can seat any mag into it with the slide locked back. It is only with the slide forward that the mags will not seat. Thanks again for the response!
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:00 PM
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Does the loaded magazine lock in easily with only 7 rounds in it? If it does then your problem is that 8th round. Leave it out and use 7. All of that magazine spring and follower has to go somewhere when stuffed with 8 rounds. The gun was designed with a 7 round magazine by a guy who knew more about magazine fed weapons than any of us will ever know.

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Old 04-16-2019, 04:08 PM
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The magazine with only 7 rounds in it does seat when I insert it with the slide closed with or without one in the pipe. It does feel a bit ďspongy ď though. Quite enough to notice , and there is definitely a noticeable difference when compared to going thru all these steps with my other 1911s. That includes 2 SW1911s ... Iím either missing something here or not noticing something. Whenever there is any issue with any pistol, I try to eliminate operator error first, as usually itís something that someone is doing wrong , rather than the gun.. I have also looked inside the slide and checked the slide release, and the ammo used when doing this, looking for signs of contact ect. Any ideas what to look for ? Iíve never heard of this happening, and it ďshouldĒ hold 8+1, and also be able to insert a fully loaded mag with the slide closed without issue.. the gun shoots great!! Just this issue is something I canít let go unattended.
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Old 04-16-2019, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Diehard1 View Post

This is my first post. I love this forum and find a ton of information here, and has helped me jump into the 1911 platform. I have searched for the following information but cannot find anything, and hoping I can get some help.
I bought a BNIB discontinued model number 108282. I took it to the range and it ran flawlessly. Towards the end of my range time I inserted one of the fully loaded 8rd Factory mags it came with, chambered a round, topped off the mag and tried to insert it, but it would not seat.
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If anyone has any information or can provide any ideas I would be very greatful, as I feel like Iíve tried just about everything I can think of at the moment to address this issue to make sure itís not me, or any of the stuff Iím using. Everything else seems and feels great. I just canít seem to seat any loaded 8rd mag while having one in the chamber. I also field stripped the gun and checked to make sure that the rounds were seating deep enough into the barrel and seemed to be fine. I did a side by side comparison with another S&W1911 my friend has and they both looked exactly the same. Anyone have any ideas?
This topic came up in a recent thread and, IIRC, itís not the first time:

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=988852

Several responders simply do not make a practice of topping-off. A few offered their reasoning for not topping-off.

As Ďdrailí states: the original pistol and magazine design did not accomodate loading an 8rd magazine. Getting 8rds without removing and replacing the mag is already a bonus. Topping-off only blew out a floor plate on me once ... and thatís enough.

Ah! Thought so ... Mentioned in this thread too:

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthr...ht=topping+mag
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:08 PM
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I agree that not all are desirable to be topped off, but the 108282 is advertised, and even says on the sicker on the case
8+1... When I spoke to customer service about this and told by them to just let tha mag springs wear in, he did say that topping it off should not be an issue. Iím only going by what S&W actually told me, and their specifications on capacity. Itís kind of a bummer as I have no problem doing this with any other of the Smith 1911s. Iím going to dive into this deeper as I have a few days off and want to maybe put a bunch of rounds thru it. Thank you all for the information and help so far! This forum is excellent and I really appreciate it!
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