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Old 01-13-2020, 01:34 PM
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Knife violence, the newest threat!

It just goes to show you that any knife that can be used to stab more than five people should be banned outright.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...red/ar-BBYU36Z
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Old 01-13-2020, 01:52 PM
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Old 01-13-2020, 02:00 PM
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Newest? Julius Caesar begs to differ...
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Old 01-13-2020, 03:28 PM
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It just goes to show you that any knife that can be used to stab more than five people should be banned outright.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...red/ar-BBYU36Z
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Old 01-13-2020, 03:41 PM
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How is that working out for Jolly Olde England??
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:03 PM
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The real "root" cause of all crime is criminals........period.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:22 PM
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Cop in Miami Beach got seriously stabbed this weekend. Still is in critical condition at the hospital. Perpetrator looks to be a homeless man who knifed the cop and was killed in a volley of gunfire... 20 shots or more. They first tried a taser, when that didn't stop him, the gun fire did.


https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...n-south-beach/

Video Below: Volley of shots heard around 20 sec.

https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/eye-o...5U-d55ibhgaBzQ

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Old 01-13-2020, 04:55 PM
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I love all these gun control weenies that think evil people (other than us gun owners) don’t exist...and that they won’t find some way to do harm...

Some people are just evil, bad, lawless aholes...
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:36 PM
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If a determined man with a knife is within 20 or less feet of someone He can get to them and stab them before they can draw a weapon and shoot, that is a fact taught in some training.
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:43 PM
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A determined nutcase with a knife could do more damage in a crowded place than someone with a firearm if you think about it. A knife is silent, and someone could knife a dozen people before the crowd at large realizes what is going on. A firearm on the other hand will be heard and in this day and age, loud pops in a mall or crowed place will send people scattering and hiding.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:17 PM
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Officers spread out to search and received reports that the suspect had stabbed several more people about a mile and a half away from the earlier stabbing, police said.

There, police found the suspect, who was being detained by some of his victims, police said. He was then taken into custody.
Again, not ragging on LE, but just a simple fact of life. It was the victims fighting back and taking responsibility for their own survival that stopped the guy.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:40 PM
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A gun is merely a tool! How it's used is up to the person using it! A hammer, baseball bat, fork, even a vehicle can be a murder weapon in the wrong hands!
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Old 01-13-2020, 08:41 PM
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My point exactly.

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A gun is merely a tool! How it's used is up to the person using it! A hammer, baseball bat, fork, even a vehicle can be a murder weapon in the wrong hands!
For the original post of the thread.
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Old 01-14-2020, 06:45 AM
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How come the media hasn't called this a "Mass Stabbing?"

If he used a gun it would be a "Mass shooting?"
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Old 01-14-2020, 06:53 AM
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If a determined man with a knife is within 20 or less feet of someone He can get to them and stab them before they can draw a weapon and shoot, that is a fact taught in some training.
I believe that you misunderstood what they were teaching or they taught it wrong in training.
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Old 01-14-2020, 07:08 AM
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How come the media hasn't called this a "Mass Stabbing?"

If he used a gun it would be a "Mass shooting?"
Agreed .... also how come they don't refer to him as an knifer .... it sounds scary.

We should have active knifer training available to everyone.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:03 AM
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I believe that you misunderstood what they were teaching or they taught it wrong in training.
I believe that you should go to YouTube and search 21 foot rule and watch the videos.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:22 AM
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:20 AM
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I believe that you should go to YouTube and search 21 foot rule and watch the videos.
Thank you but I really don't need to, I understand it fine, it is not as stated in the post.
I can draw my firearm and get reasonable accurate rounds off in under 1.5 seconds.
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:19 PM
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I believe that you should go to YouTube and search 21 foot rule and watch the videos.
Thank you but I really don't need to, I understand it fine, it is not as stated in the post.
I can draw my firearm and get reasonable accurate rounds off in under 1.5 seconds.
Is that a duty holster? Concealed? It's easy to shoot 100% at paper...paper isn't shooting back! 1.5 seconds is fast. Like cowboy fast shooting sports fast. Not saying you can't but the average person can't. And within 20 ft I can throw a knife pretty hard and accurate. Some departments have the 21 ft rule and training some don't!
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:27 PM
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A smart knife wielder won't show you the knife until they are already on you and striking. You may think you are shoving off an unarmed attacker only to feel what you didn't see.
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:59 PM
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If a determined man with a knife is within 20 or less feet of someone He can get to them and stab them before they can draw a weapon and shoot, that is a fact taught in some training.
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I believe that you should go to YouTube and search 21 foot rule and watch the videos.
Better yet, he should try it for himself with a buddy who has a rubber knife and he can have a plastic replica of his carry gun in his carry holster.

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Old 01-14-2020, 01:54 PM
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This argument is weak. Guns are far better weapons than knives. One cannot argue that point yet still carry a gun for self protection. If you carry a knife too, it's a backup to the gun. Not the other way around.

Jolly Rogers asked about Olde England. Their homicide rate is 1.2 per 100,000 people

Ours is 5.0 per 100,000.

So, at least on an overall basis, their citizens are four times less likely to die from a violent act than we are. So their general lack of guns IS working out well for them as a whole.

However, I don't care a whole lot about overall population numbers. I believe that I, PERSONALLY, am less likely to die from a violent act because I am armed.

WITH A GUN! Not a damn pointy camping tool.
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Old 01-14-2020, 02:03 PM
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England probably agrees.

https://reason.com/2019/10/07/the-u-...ch-of-england/

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The latest call for knife controls comes from the Church of England, the nation's officially sponsored religious franchise.

"We the undersigned are professionals and community leaders from across the UK who call on Government to see the sale of pointed domestic kitchen knives as a thing of the past," reads the not-a-parody open letter from the Diocese of Rochester, signed by church leaders, lawmakers, psychiatrists, academics, and the like. "Historically we needed a point on the end of our knife to pick up food because forks weren't invented. Now we only need the point to open packets when we can't be bothered to find the scissors...."

...Just months ago, a Conservative member of Parliament made headlines when he took a different, but equally restrictive, approach to regulating sharp pieces of metal.

"Every knife sold in the UK should have a gps tracker fitted in the handle," insisted Scott Mann. "It's time we had a national database like we do with guns."
This even as the article pointed out in the first paragraph. (Emphasis added.)

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Despite a host of legal restrictions on firearms and knives, not to mention a society that increasingly resembles a panopticon in the thoroughness of the surveillance to which it's subjected, the U.K.'s crime rates remain stubbornly resistant to reduction. Last year, London's murder rate briefly overtook that of New York City—a feat likely to be repeated as crime continues its decline in the U.S.—and the latest U.K. figures show an increase in violent crimes committed with both guns and knives.
Oh, wait. Vehicles are registered in the U.S.. Yet, there is such an epidemic of vehicle violence and so many deaths and serious injuries from vehicles. I guess we just need to ban them outright. Let the politicians walk to their payoffs.
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Old 01-14-2020, 02:10 PM
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This argument is weak. Guns are far better weapons than knives.
Harrison Ford's character, Indiana Jones would agree with you wholeheartedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
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