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Old 03-25-2020, 12:05 AM
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Quality of very recent Remington rifles?

There have been many claims of Remington going downhill with quality since the change of company ownership circa 2007. How is the quality of recent Remington rifles made within say the past year? Even more specifically, their bolt action rifles.
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:25 AM
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I think they have a handle on it. We have sold a few rifles lately with no issues reported. I recently bought a V3 shotgun, and it's superb. Two months ago a good customer bought a new Remington high cap 1911. He's been back in a couple of times and raves about how much he likes it. The only non internet complaint I have personally witnessed was a good friend who bought (several years ago) a 700 and had a problem. Shipped it back to Remington and they replaced it with an upgraded model, and he loves it.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:15 AM
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I think they have a handle on it. We have sold a few rifles lately with no issues reported. I recently bought a V3 shotgun, and it's superb. Two months ago a good customer bought a new Remington high cap 1911. He's been back in a couple of times and raves about how much he likes it. The only non internet complaint I have personally witnessed was a good friend who bought (several years ago) a 700 and had a problem. Shipped it back to Remington and they replaced it with an upgraded model, and he loves it.
Remington took over Para, then closed Para. Maybe they worked out the flaws of the former Para double stack 1911s.

The 700 must have been a lemon for them to completely replace it.

If I'm not mistaken, Remington is under the same ownership as the past several years, so a part of me is surprised they're getting it together.
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Old 03-25-2020, 02:30 PM
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Remington took over Para, then closed Para. Maybe they worked out the flaws of the former Para double stack 1911s.

The 700 must have been a lemon for them to completely replace it.

If I'm not mistaken, Remington is under the same ownership as the past several years, so a part of me is surprised they're getting it together.
Well, sorta. Once upon a time......Remington was bought by Cerebrus (2007) Who changed their name to Freedom group, who changed their name to Remington Outdoors. Freedom group purchased Para and relocated it to Alabama along with a lot of manufacturing (that had been consolidated to Illion NY.) I believe late 2014/2015 time period. It is in the pre move period I think they had their issues as they just had too much to deal with in Illion NY, which may have resulted in a few QC issues. Since they opened Huntsville and smoothed over processes at both locations, QC was bound to improve as the dust settled.

When my friends was replaced, I believe it was a matter of availability at the time. It was right around the 2015 mark when he bought it and all things considered it probably was in the interest of taking care of the customer in a timely manner above all else.

Ive owned a few paras over the years, and the only flaws were the time period they had their power extractor. Those could be hit or miss. Otherwise their product was as good as anybody in their price range.
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Old 03-25-2020, 03:49 PM
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I can't speak for the 700 but if you want an 870, hit the pawn shops and find one built during the Dupont era. Even the Police Magnums and Wingmasters are slipping.
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:52 PM
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I can't speak for the 700 but if you want an 870, hit the pawn shops and find one built during the Dupont era. Even the Police Magnums and Wingmasters are slipping.
Ones made in the past year are slipping?
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:56 PM
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Ones made in the past year are slipping?
The last Freedom Group Wingmaster I saw was built in 2014 IIRC. It seemed ok. There was another one at the gun club that was of similar vintage. I think the chamber on it was too tight, because the gun locked up on a fired case. This is a common issue on Express models. That was the only time I'd seen it happen to a Wingmaster. I'd rate it hit or miss in Remington's QC department.
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:59 PM
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I just bought a brand new 20 Gage 870. Not a POS Express.....but an actual Wingmaster with walnut and blue steel. Workmanship looks good....on the order of mid to late 60's stuff. Haven't fired it yet....but looks wise...it's a keeper.
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The last Freedom Group Wingmaster I saw was built in 2014 IIRC. It seemed ok. There was another one at the gun club that was of similar vintage. I think the chamber on it was too tight, because the gun locked up on a fired case. This is a common issue on Express models. That was the only time I'd seen it happen to a Wingmaster. I'd rate it hit or miss in Remington's QC department.
That is an all too common problem since........the advent of aluminum base 12g shells. It is not a reflection of Remington quality. The express model was more prone to it due to the fact it was a budget model and got less polishing of the chamber area. All that's needed for it to run aluminum is a little chamber polishing. Ive fixed many shotguns of many makes over the years for this. Its like someone trying the 1911 with crappy mags and ammo and blaming the gun.
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I have always been a 700 fan but the new ones are just ok. The older model 700 triggers were fully adjustable. That new Xmark is junk in my opinion. Bought a new SPS a couple of years ago and their so called adjustable trigger is not so adjustable. Scrapped it and put in a Timney while on sale. The stock is flimsy and useless to try and bed. Ditched it and put a replacement with bedding block. She holds tight consistent groups with my loads now. She shot just ok imo before the upgrades. Not bad out of the box but not to my liking.
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I can't remember the publication but Ron Spomer recently wrote that Remington's quality is back. Specifically speaking to the 700. Now I am not a huge fan of Spomer but it might be worth further investigation. Personally I would be checking out the current crop of Model 70's. They are turning out some beautiful rifles. For plastic stock rifles Tikka are hard to beat.
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The current Ruger M77s are pretty nice too. Unlike the Remington 700, these are CRF.
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That is an all too common problem since........the advent of aluminum base 12g shells. It is not a reflection of Remington quality. The express model was more prone to it due to the fact it was a budget model and got less polishing of the chamber area. All that's needed for it to run aluminum is a little chamber polishing. Ive fixed many shotguns of many makes over the years for this. Its like someone trying the 1911 with crappy mags and ammo and blaming the gun.
I've seen an Express model lock up on brass. But you're right about the aluminum shells though. I made the mistake of firing them through a Winchester model 12 once. A $30 flex hone solves most rough chamber issues.
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Old Yesterday, 01:51 PM
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maybe I'm just lucky but in the past 5 years I've bought both a 700vtr and an 870 tactical the vtr will put 3 rounds in under a 1/2 " at a 100 yards all day long the 870 is a little rough compared to my old 70's wingmaster but to date it functions with no problems
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I have always been a 700 fan but the new ones are just ok. The older model 700 triggers were fully adjustable. That new Xmark is junk in my opinion. Bought a new SPS a couple of years ago and their so called adjustable trigger is not so adjustable. Scrapped it and put in a Timney while on sale. The stock is flimsy and useless to try and bed. Ditched it and put a replacement with bedding block. She holds tight consistent groups with my loads now. She shot just ok imo before the upgrades. Not bad out of the box but not to my liking.
I guess it was very important to come up with a safe trigger than a good one after that debacle with Remington triggers in the past. Thankfully, there's the aftermarket.

Surprised to hear the SPS stock is bad. Isn't it a Hogue?
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Old Yesterday, 02:56 PM
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Mine have had great fit and finish
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Surprised to hear the SPS stock is bad. Isn't it a Hogue?
I noticed that some now come with a hogue depending on the model. The basic blued and stainless were not back when I got this one. If it would have been a hogue all would have been well...
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