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Old 03-14-2020, 11:47 PM
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DW 9mm / 38 Super pistols

Hello Dan Wesson sub-forum members. I would like to get your input on 9mm and 38 Super DW pistols.

I own mostly 45 and 38 Super Colts and they work just fine. Accurate and reliable. But my experience with 9mm Colts has been different. I've owned several and while they have all worked reliably, I just cannot get them to shoot as well as my 45 and 38 Super guns.

I would like to add a Lightweight Commander for a carry gun, and I have some interest in the DW Guardian in either 9mm or 38 Super. So I am wondering if any of you can provide some experience and your opinion of how they are in terms of reliable function and accuracy.

I don't mean to offend, but "500 flawless rounds" isn't really the type of input I'm looking for. If anyone has put thousands of rounds downrange with a DW 9mm or 38 Super I'd really like to hear what you have to say.
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Old 03-15-2020, 04:28 AM
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I wish I could help you with the "1,000's of rounds downrange" aspects.


I'm doing initial break-ins on 4 DW 1911s at this time, 50rds each session, field strip, clean & lube prior to each session :

1) Valor Commander .45-4 sessions without a bobble of any kind. Damn accurate and smooth. Love seeing that Duty finish haze over with burnt powder and the comes clean as a whistle in the post-range session cleaning.

2) Valor Commander 9mm-two sessions without a single problem. 100% function-perfect so far.

3) PM-C 9mm-two sessions without a single problem. 100% function-perfect so far.

4) Razorback 10mm-one session. Problem-ridden 50rd session. Failures to extract & failures to go into battery. Very accurate....just have some issues to address. No worries.




Both the 9mm guns are very soft shooting....to be expected, but even more soft than my 5" 9mm Range Officer.


Hopefully time will permit to really run them more often soon. Hate being restricted to indoor ranges. The weather on my recent days off hasn't cooperated with outdoor range desires.
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Old 03-15-2020, 05:17 AM
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Have a DW PM-9 with +/- 11,500 rounds through it, indoor and outdoor ranges. Gun has been trouble free since day one, not one hiccup. Followed the DW recommendations for 500 round break in. I purchased this gun new in Jan. 2019 so it's had it's share of shooting in a relatively short period of time.

I should add that at the 5,000 round mark I return the gun to DW for maintenance/test/inspect. I field strip, clean and lube after each range visit.

And I only use Mec-Gar mags from Greg Cote LLC!

Just sayin'!

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Old 03-15-2020, 07:34 AM
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I have a Specialist in 9mm. I bought it about four weeks ago. As of yesterday, I have 2,000 rounds through it. It will fail to go into battery still in about 1 out of 50 rounds. This is with factory ball, 115 and 124 grain. A little frustrating.

I love the pistol though. It is INCREDIBLY accurate and the trigger is the best, out of the box trigger I've ever felt on a production 1911. The trigger pull averages 3.5 pounds and it is CLEAN.
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Old 03-15-2020, 11:12 AM
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I have a Specialist in 9mm. I bought it about four weeks ago. As of yesterday, I have 2,000 rounds through it. It will fail to go into battery still in about 1 out of 50 rounds. This is with factory ball, 115 and 124 grain. A little frustrating.

I love the pistol though. It is INCREDIBLY accurate and the trigger is the best, out of the box trigger I've ever felt on a production 1911. The trigger pull averages 3.5 pounds and it is CLEAN.
Thank you. May I ask what magazines you are using with your Specialist?
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Old 03-15-2020, 11:14 AM
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Have a DW PM-9 with +/- 11,500 rounds through it, indoor and outdoor ranges. Gun has been trouble free since day one, not one hiccup. Followed the DW recommendations for 500 round break in. I purchased this gun new in Jan. 2019 so it's had it's share of shooting in a relatively short period of time.

I should add that at the 5,000 round mark I return the gun to DW for maintenance/test/inspect. I field strip, clean and lube after each range visit.

And I only use Mec-Gar mags from Greg Cote LLC!

Just sayin'!
Thanks for the report on your PM-9.
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Old 03-15-2020, 11:16 AM
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I wish I could help you with the "1,000's of rounds downrange" aspects.


I'm doing initial break-ins on 4 DW 1911s at this time, 50rds each session, field strip, clean & lube prior to each session :

1) Valor Commander .45-4 sessions without a bobble of any kind. Damn accurate and smooth. Love seeing that Duty finish haze over with burnt powder and the comes clean as a whistle in the post-range session cleaning.

2) Valor Commander 9mm-two sessions without a single problem. 100% function-perfect so far.

3) PM-C 9mm-two sessions without a single problem. 100% function-perfect so far.

4) Razorback 10mm-one session. Problem-ridden 50rd session. Failures to extract & failures to go into battery. Very accurate....just have some issues to address. No worries.




Both the 9mm guns are very soft shooting....to be expected, but even more soft than my 5" 9mm Range Officer.


Hopefully time will permit to really run them more often soon. Hate being restricted to indoor ranges. The weather on my recent days off hasn't cooperated with outdoor range desires.
Sounds like a good start with your 9mm DWs. Hopefully your luck will hold. What magazines are you using?
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Old 03-15-2020, 12:57 PM
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My 9mm Guardian has been perfectly reliable (2040 rounds); PM9 (3665 rounds) has been unreliable since the day I bought it. Since it's a range gun only, I've never bothered to send it back.
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Old 03-15-2020, 02:28 PM
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My 9mm Guardian has been perfectly reliable (2040 rounds); PM9 (3665 rounds) has been unreliable since the day I bought it. Since it's a range gun only, I've never bothered to send it back.
Wow, that's a pretty stark contrast. What magazines are you using with those guns?
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Old 03-15-2020, 03:54 PM
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Wilsons, also the ones that came with the gun. It ain't the mags.
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Old 03-15-2020, 04:40 PM
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Sounds like a good start with your 9mm DWs. Hopefully your luck will hold. What magazines are you using?
A very good start.

Magazines are both the factory mags and also WC in my .45 & 10mm.


I meant to add earlier......the triggers in each of these guns is OUTSTANDING. They each have me pissed off at the triggers in my TRP & Range Officer....which I used to think were good, lol.

Iím adding more Dan Wessons as the budget allows.
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Old 03-15-2020, 05:05 PM
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Mark,

I have a PM 9 - bought back in 2014 or so, perfect in every respect. Have over
5 k through it. Also picked up a 38 super guardian last year & it is "super" - use as my daily carry - not a single issue, and have recently added a PM 38 super which I found a couple weeks ago "NIB". Both supers have 2k through them without an issue.

I do run them all very wet with Mobil 1. All three have been outstanding pistols, and I recommend them.

All three were detail stripped upon receipt, cleaned, polished all parts, and gave each a trigger job. The PM's are stainless, so they were hand cycled a couple hundred times prior to firing.

Don't think you will have an issue with these pistols if given a little care.

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Old 03-15-2020, 06:12 PM
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Mark,

I have a PM 9 - bought back in 2014 or so, perfect in every respect. Have over
5 k through it. Also picked up a 38 super guardian last year & it is "super" - use as my daily carry - not a single issue, and have recently added a PM 38 super which I found a couple weeks ago "NIB". Both supers have 2k through them without an issue.

I do run them all very wet with Mobil 1. All three have been outstanding pistols, and I recommend them.

All three were detail stripped upon receipt, cleaned, polished all parts, and gave each a trigger job. The PM's are stainless, so they were hand cycled a couple hundred times prior to firing.

Don't think you will have an issue with these pistols if given a little care.

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Thanks for the input especially re: the Guardian 38 Super.
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Old 03-15-2020, 06:41 PM
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I love my Guardian in .38 super. Started out a bit iffy. Like a jam every 2-3 rounds. Nice people at Dan Wesson and I am certain that they would have fixed it. But they wanted 1000 rounds through it first. Couple of the jams were downright scary. So I massaged it a bit with 600 grit sandpaper in the high spots. Easily 1500 rounds through it. Maybe 2500. Everything. Hollow points etc. Not a hiccup. Part of it is my impatience. Any jams after 2 magazines full and it comes apart. On any 1911.

I would buy another (and have) Dan Wesson.
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Old 03-15-2020, 09:25 PM
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I’ve carried 38 Super Guardian for 5 years...
What do you want to know?
Gun is awesome, thousands of rounds, and trust my life with it every day!


If you’re going to trust your life with a tool, you need to understand it an maintain it.
Shlt happens, figure it out... if you can’t, find s gun smith who can.
If a 1911 is not for you, the caliber of the gun won’t matter.

The 38 Super has more energy than a .45 with less recoil.
Flatter shooting, harder hitting than a 9mm all day long!
And IMO more accurate and just as reliable.
Just saying!
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Old 03-15-2020, 09:55 PM
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My PM-C was originally a 38 Super and then I had the 9mm bbl/bushing fit and it's been a fantastic shooter. I have about 2k rounds in the 2 calibers without a hiccup. I do carry it often and have zero reservations.

(I had a ding develop in the original barrel's feedramp. It was replaced but the gun ran flawlessly the whole time)
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Old 03-15-2020, 11:15 PM
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Iíve carried 38 Super Guardian for 5 years...
What do you want to know?
Gun is awesome, thousands of rounds, and trust my life with it every day!


If youíre going to trust your life with a tool, you need to understand it an maintain it.
Shlt happens, figure it out... if you canít, find s gun smith who can.
If a 1911 is not for you, the caliber of the gun wonít matter.

The 38 Super has more energy than a .45 with less recoil.
Flatter shooting, harder hitting than a 9mm all day long!
And IMO more accurate and just as reliable.
Just saying!
Thanks, I appreciate your feedback on the Guardian. I'm not sure where the rest of your comments are coming from -- I'm not exactly a 1911 novice.
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Old 03-15-2020, 11:17 PM
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My PM-C was originally a 38 Super and then I had the 9mm bbl/bushing fit and it's been a fantastic shooter. I have about 2k rounds in the 2 calibers without a hiccup. I do carry it often and have zero reservations.

(I had a ding develop in the original barrel's feedramp. It was replaced but the gun ran flawlessly the whole time)
Thanks for that report, it's helpful.
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Old 03-16-2020, 05:47 AM
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Thank you. May I ask what magazines you are using with your Specialist?
Certainly- I'm using the stock, OEM "Dan Wesson" mags that came with the gun. I have to pick up a few Wilson mags.

Update on the gun's performance: I put 260 rounds through it yesterday with zero malfunctions. 100 rounds of Federal, 50 rounds of Magtech and 10 rounds of my handloads. All were 124 grain FMJ.

The day before, I had a couple FTRB in 150 rounds. I'm very pleased to see any malfunctioning issues are working their way out. It's been way more than the 300-500 round break-in, but still, I'm VERY happy with this gun.

The Steel Plate match season starts for me next month and I intend to use this pistol. For the past four years, I used a CZ75-TS. It was a great shooting gun, but it was so heavy that I transitioned between targets slower than with a 1911. Also, the trigger on the CZ being only 1.5 pounds, was unnerving for me to draw from the holster.

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Old 03-16-2020, 07:55 AM
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Certainly- I'm using the stock, OEM "Dan Wesson" mags that came with the gun. I have to pick up a few Wilson mags.

Update on the gun's performance: I put 260 rounds through it yesterday with zero malfunctions. 100 rounds of Federal, 50 rounds of Magtech and 10 rounds of my handloads. All were 124 grain FMJ.

The day before, I had a couple FTRB in 150 rounds. I'm very pleased to see any malfunctioning issues are working their way out. It's been way more than the 300-500 round break-in, but still, I'm VERY happy with this gun.

The Steel Plate match season starts for me next month and I intend to use this pistol. For the past four years, I used a CZ75-TS. It was a great shooting gun, but it was so heavy that I transitioned between targets slower than with a 1911. Also, the trigger on the CZ being only 1.5 pounds, was unnerving for me to draw from the holster.
Hmm... based on responses here it seems there are a few different ways it can go with these pistols. Some are reporting great results right off the bat with no failures, a smaller number of really problematic pistols, and some that have failures during the "break-in" period.

The whole concept of the break-in period with DW pistols is something I've read about and it sounds like it should be taken seriously. It seems based on DW's advice that it's a good idea to put a thousand or so rounds through a new DW pistol before calling it good for serious use.

That's not meant as a criticism, just an observation.
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Old 03-16-2020, 12:04 PM
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Hmm... based on responses here it seems there are a few different ways it can go with these pistols. Some are reporting great results right off the bat with no failures, a smaller number of really problematic pistols, and some that have failures during the "break-in" period.

The whole concept of the break-in period with DW pistols is something I've read about and it sounds like it should be taken seriously. It seems based on DW's advice that it's a good idea to put a thousand or so rounds through a new DW pistol before calling it good for serious use.

That's not meant as a criticism, just an observation.
Yeah...they are finicky (or can be) no doubt. I dumped a Heritage after 2,000 rounds of on and off malfunctions. I also have an A2 though that hasn't had ONE from day one and I have a couple of thousand rounds through it including my reloads.

If you're willing to put up with some break-in issues, I still think DW's are tough to beat. My Heritage was beyond break-in as it was galling.

I think, IMHO, my Specialist is break-in oriented. Just my gut as it is getting better and better.
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Old 03-16-2020, 12:30 PM
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My silver back 9mm and A2 have been spectacular guns. The SB has a few thousand rounds through it and I run it rather hard in USPSA. I just love it.

The A2 I had in a few tac training sessions and great.

I run only handloads and what I need to do it check every round in a case gauge. If not, it will lead to malfunctions especially on the A2 in 45.

The DWs are just cut tight also open the chambers. I run all ammo in my Sig 226/220s w/o any malfunctions.

In the DW no malfunctions whatsoever with caste gauge checked ammo only.

That little inconvenience is worth the fun for me as the accuracy is astounding with those DWs. Only prob they are addictive.
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:42 AM
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I’ll tell my experience with the DW 38Super Guardian. But first a little background. I own eleven 1911 style pistols, 3 of them in 38SUPER: one Colt Govtm model, one Llama Model 8 (very similar to the Govtm 1911) & the DW Guardian. The others are a mixture of Sig, Colt, DW and SA, in 9mm, 357Sig and 45ACP (Commander and Govtm). All are accurate and trouble free Except for the DW Guardian. The 38SUPER Guardian has 1180 rounds thru it now and has reached the point where it’s reliable enough to be considered for carry. I’ve had some problems with FTFeed and Eject (early on), slide stop/release walking out of the frame (in fairness it might have been the mag), wrong rear sight for the 38SUPER. It’s been back to the factory once already. My biggest disappointment is it’s accuracy. It is inconsistent at best. I shoot the same ammo out of the Colt and Llama with satisfying results; in the Guardian, that same ammo can take out the “X” one day or look like a shotgun patten the next. I blame myself as it’s my only AL frame 1911, so that might be a learning curve I’ve yet to master. My other eight 1911s I Am satisfied with performance and accuracy; the Guardian ?
I like the gun, really. If I didn’t, I would have gotten rid of by now. It’s just taking me a while now to master.
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Old 03-17-2020, 05:22 PM
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tractor, thanks for your feedback.
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Old 03-19-2020, 09:42 AM
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My stainless steel 9mm Valor Commander has a little over 500 rounds of factory ammo through it. I had a failure to go into battery during the first 50 rounds. Other than that it has run perfectly.

I use both the OEM 9 round magazines and 4 Chip McCormick 10 round Range master magazines. I field strip and clean it after every range session and keep the gun well-lubed with a mixture of FP-10 and SAE 50 Valvoline Racing Oil.

I'm very happy with the build quality and accuracy of my first Dan Wesson.

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