Three gun, Shot Gun - 1911Forum
1911Forum
Advertise Here
Forum   Reviews   Rules   Legal   Site Supporters & Donations   Advertise


Go Back   1911Forum > >

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-31-2019, 11:43 AM
WaterDR WaterDR is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,403
Three gun, Shot Gun

Hey guys....I want to start 3 Gun. What would be a good shot gun to use? Don’t want to spend a fortune....just something that would work fairly well.

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-31-2019, 01:37 PM
yeti yeti is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,939
Find a good used M4, Versa Max Comp, 930 JM Pro or a Stoeger M3500.
Buy a nice pre-driven already 3G built or buy a plain jane and go parts shopping.
__________________

NRA Life Member
RSO
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-31-2019, 02:23 PM
LocoGringo LocoGringo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Knoxville, TN
Age: 44
Posts: 129
Yeti nailed it but...

I would include a Benelli M2, but 3-gun is NOT cheap. You are going to run your guns hard and they need to be durable and reliable. If ever the phrase "buy once, cry once" applies, it's to 3-gun.

Before you sink a lot of money into guns when you're getting started, try some first if you can. 3-gun folks are generally fairly generous and will let you try them. Also, do research on the various features of the most commonly used pistols and shotguns. The rifles are usually set up for the individual shooter more than the other 2.

Be prepared to sink a lot of money into guns AND equipment and to be addicted.
__________________
Jesus Christ is my savior.
I am not perfect and neither is anyone else.
NRA life member. MOLON LABE.
My 1911 resume: somewhat modified Kimber Stainless Target II, STI Marauder
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 08-31-2019, 03:50 PM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Florida
Posts: 7,583
Shotguns for 3-gun

The type of shotgun probably makes a difference in the "division" you plan to compete. The speed of reloading a shotgun is greatly enhanced if the shotgun uses a box magazine that holds ten or more rounds.

Here is an interesting review of a shotgun manufactured in Turkey, an AKDAL MK 1919 Match Gen 2, that is similar to an AR-15 in ergonomics:

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/shotg...-gen-2-review/ Skip to the conclusion of the article if you plan to use the gun in competition.

There are 10 round and aftermarket 20 round mags available for the Turkish made Akdal shotgun, but a person may have to check their local state laws for shotgun mags that allow over 10 rounds....it may be illegal in some states. The 10 round Akdal mags from Atlantic FiraArms are $59 each.....

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/pro...round-magazine

Last edited by Rwehavinfunyet; 08-31-2019 at 04:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-31-2019, 04:35 PM
Striker2237 Striker2237 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 6,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterDR View Post
Hey guys....I want to start 3 Gun. What would be a good shot gun to use? Donít want to spend a fortune....just something that would work fairly well.

Thanks!
Stoeger M3K 3-gun factory shotgun plus a long tube of your choice, I have two of them.

https://www.stoegerindustries.com/m3k-3-gun-shotgun

An M2 (pricey and requires a lot of changes/extras to be really nice) just pick whatever one you can find that's cheapest and add a long tube, extended controls and also file the loading port to avoid cutting yourself.

Or get a lynx 12, some 25-32 round drums and a 10 round mag or two.....slap a vortex RDS on top and go nuts. I subscribe to this camp now since mag fed is best feed and quadloading if mastered is fast and all but a endless quick change drum is better.
__________________
Carry gun(s):Wilson Carry Comp Custom Pocket carry:SIG 938 9mm. Other 1911s:WC Supergrade Accucomp .38 super, WC BW Carry Optics, WC CQB Professional .45, WC Super Sentinel, WC CQB Elite 9mm, WC EDC X9, Ed Brown SR .45, NHC Predator 2 .45, NHC T3 Hardchrome .45, Kimber Ultra .45, STI Escort .45, ATI Tactical .45, RIA Tactical 10mm, Kimber Ultra Diamond 9mm, Detonics Combat Master MKVI .45, Colt Centennial .460 Roland
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-31-2019, 06:34 PM
WaterDR WaterDR is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,403
Thanks guys. I am good to go on a Pistol and a PCC. Plan to use my Q5 and my PCC9.

I might try finding a decent used shot gun.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-31-2019, 06:42 PM
Tom Freeman's Avatar
Tom Freeman Tom Freeman is offline
More Cowbell...
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7,301
A Benelli M2 will run you about a grand by the time you add a tube and lighten the carrier.

Your going to end up with one eventually. Might as well just go there now. If you change your mind down the road, its one of the few shotguns with decent resale value.

I dont think I have met anyone that has said "Man, I regret buying that Benelli."
__________________
I am a rather brilliant surgeon, perhaps I can help you with that humpÖ
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-31-2019, 06:53 PM
havanajim havanajim is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,264
Some will swear that unless you hit or break the $1k mark on a shotgun, you're simply not competitive. I have to disagree. The simple, humble Mossberg 930 has proven itself to be both reliable and thoroughly effective for me - and she's shamed her share of much, much more expensive shotguns. Again, she's not very exotic and certainly lacks in cosmopolitan charm, but her controls are in the right place, she feeds any shell she meets and does her duty in spades. On those days that I'm feeling nostalgic, the 590 takes her place. With those two shotguns, I've never felt at a disadvantage. There's also an aftermarket industry for parts if 'customizing' is in order, at reasonable prices. But in the end, this 'recommendation' stuff is so subjective as to almost be academic, I suppose.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-31-2019, 08:27 PM
HarryO45 HarryO45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Home of the Infantry
Posts: 4,508
Out of the box - Done

I have spent more time screwing around with shotguns for 3G than both my pistols and rifles put together. I personally have struggled the most with a shotgun and I attribute some of that, to always chasing the latest mods...and the problems associated with those changes. In my experience, those long tubes being thrown into a bucket are problematic. Ha!

I think that if you want a basic gun and donít mind immediately adding a tube extension and working into your other mods there are a lot of great options suggested. You learn by screwing around with $tuff - but more troubling is the time it takes to get every mod to work in conjunction along with your learning / training curve. Depending on your age you might not want all the grief. On the other hand you might want to spend minimum $ till you know you like the sport?

$$$, If you want to buy a great shotgun with all the mods... (minus a stage saver), then a Versa Max Tactical Competition is hard to beat. I finally decided to just go there. I am glad I did. It is heavier than many, but I donít mind that much. Really low recoil. You should do some research on what you get with a Tactical Competition, in the long run you might save some money and Time. You can open the box and compete.

Take a look - YouTube has some good reviews
Attached Thumbnails
D99599EB-90FC-44B9-8347-D51B438C5722.jpeg  
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-31-2019, 08:51 PM
HarryO45 HarryO45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Home of the Infantry
Posts: 4,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterDR View Post
Plan to use my Q5
You might want to look at Taylor Freelance for an edge!
Attached Thumbnails
3448F877-AB50-4D2C-A874-A81EA786D60B.jpeg  
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-31-2019, 10:31 PM
WaterDR WaterDR is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,403
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryO45 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterDR View Post
Plan to use my Q5
You might want to look at Taylor Freelance for an edge!
Yup! Plan on it 🙂

By the way, what’s the minimum capacity I need for 3G on a shot gun?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-31-2019, 11:57 PM
Striker2237 Striker2237 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 6,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterDR View Post
Yup! Plan on it 🙂

By the way, whatís the minimum capacity I need for 3G on a shot gun?
8 in the tube plus one since class allows a 9 total start.
__________________
Carry gun(s):Wilson Carry Comp Custom Pocket carry:SIG 938 9mm. Other 1911s:WC Supergrade Accucomp .38 super, WC BW Carry Optics, WC CQB Professional .45, WC Super Sentinel, WC CQB Elite 9mm, WC EDC X9, Ed Brown SR .45, NHC Predator 2 .45, NHC T3 Hardchrome .45, Kimber Ultra .45, STI Escort .45, ATI Tactical .45, RIA Tactical 10mm, Kimber Ultra Diamond 9mm, Detonics Combat Master MKVI .45, Colt Centennial .460 Roland
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-01-2019, 08:40 AM
HarryO45 HarryO45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Home of the Infantry
Posts: 4,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker2237 View Post
8 in the tube plus one since class allows a 9 total start.
Keep in mind, after the buzzer, you can load more. It sometimes comes in handy. The Versa Max tube can hold 10 rounds. Lots of folks have 12 round tubes, so immediately after the buzzer, they quad load and go.

For me the tube is long enough at ten, there is alway give and take.

Versa Max TC out of the box with:
Eight round tube w/ +2 carbon fiber extension =10 + 1 total
Sling attachments Magpul QD
Stock is fully adjustable - w/ comb
Great recoil pad
Oversized controls
I think five choke tubes
Fiber optic front sight and a rib mounted rear sight for slugs
Wide and longer loading gate
Stocks are all weather and rubber grippy texture in the hand holds.

Last edited by HarryO45; 09-01-2019 at 08:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-01-2019, 09:22 AM
M-Peltier M-Peltier is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,253
Stoeger M3000/M3K w/26" bbl
And if you go that route you will want to be familiar with a company called MOA precision

or another good one is the Versa max TC, slightly heavier but softer shooting. My only issue with the V-max is why a 22" bbl and an extension that sticks out 4 more inches? I would like to see it offered with a 26" bbl. I personally shoot a little better with a 26" bbl.

Both will cost about the same in the end.

To be competitive at all, it will cost you just north of 1K for a new one or just under if your lucky enough to find a good used one.

Visit the Brian Enos Forum for more 3-gun information.
__________________
Ex-Military, 20+ years 3-Gun competitor, Colt certified Armorer, NRA Instructor, NSRT Officer-Retired, LGS Guru.

Last edited by M-Peltier; 09-01-2019 at 09:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-01-2019, 09:46 AM
HarryO45 HarryO45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Home of the Infantry
Posts: 4,508
I am “used gun kinda guy” when I can. My only hesitation in buying a 3gun ready used gun is: I think more people do kitchen table modifications on the shotgun than any other of the three guns. Sometimes these mods are like Micheal Jackson’s nose. Sometimes they are perfect.

If you have a friend and he is gonna sell you his gun that he has modded up and you know it works, or he has a friend how has a great gun and willing to sell then that is one thing. People in the sport know who shoots what and guns have reputations, so if you find a good one with proven track history, then buy it. Insider information.

If you are answering an ad or dealing with a relative unknown who has a “great modified” 3G shotty then maybe some caution. Of all the guns in 3G the one I would have the most caution would be the shotgun...

Good luck, have fun.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-01-2019, 09:48 AM
HarryO45 HarryO45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Home of the Infantry
Posts: 4,508
Brian Enos +1
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-03-2019, 05:33 PM
Striker2237 Striker2237 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 6,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryO45 View Post
Keep in mind, after the buzzer, you can load more. It sometimes comes in handy. The Versa Max tube can hold 10 rounds. Lots of folks have 12 round tubes, so immediately after the buzzer, they quad load and go.

For me the tube is long enough at ten, there is alway give and take.

Versa Max TC out of the box with:
Eight round tube w/ +2 carbon fiber extension =10 + 1 total
Sling attachments Magpul QD
Stock is fully adjustable - w/ comb
Great recoil pad
Oversized controls
I think five choke tubes
Fiber optic front sight and a rib mounted rear sight for slugs
Wide and longer loading gate
Stocks are all weather and rubber grippy texture in the hand holds.
Yep, both of mine have 12 round tubes since I normally do just that.
__________________
Carry gun(s):Wilson Carry Comp Custom Pocket carry:SIG 938 9mm. Other 1911s:WC Supergrade Accucomp .38 super, WC BW Carry Optics, WC CQB Professional .45, WC Super Sentinel, WC CQB Elite 9mm, WC EDC X9, Ed Brown SR .45, NHC Predator 2 .45, NHC T3 Hardchrome .45, Kimber Ultra .45, STI Escort .45, ATI Tactical .45, RIA Tactical 10mm, Kimber Ultra Diamond 9mm, Detonics Combat Master MKVI .45, Colt Centennial .460 Roland
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-08-2019, 06:26 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Florida
Posts: 7,583
3-gun shotgun

I recently ordered a Rock Island Armory VR80 semi auto shotgun. I plan to use this in 3-gun and for self defense. The retail was $599 from Tombstone Tactical in AZ, and I ordered two additional 9 round mags.....with insurance, the total price was $663.00, and is being shipped to a local gun shop about 4 miles from my home. The overall length is 20", and the weight is 7lbs. empty. 19 round mags are available, but Tombstone was out of stock. I plan to use/add a red dot optical sight. Picture attached. There is also a video link of a shooter testing his RIA VR80 with various extended mags:

https://www.reddit.com/r/3gun/commen...ded_mag_tests/

For the break-in period when first shooting this shotgun, I am planning to use Remington "Game & Target loads" using an open choke/improved cylinder. It comes with 3 chokes. This is a 2-3/4" shotgun load that delivers about 1390fps velocity with #6 birdshot; I will then test with 2-3/4" Winchester AA light target loads, but may have to change the gas piston for a light target load.....we shall see!
Attached Thumbnails
RIA VR 80 shotgun.jpg  

Last edited by Rwehavinfunyet; 09-08-2019 at 06:59 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-12-2019, 02:03 PM
GunBugBit GunBugBit is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Arizona
Age: 60
Posts: 5,418
If you're willing to be in the "heavy" division where you shoot .45 pistol, .308 rifle and 12ga pump, you can spend very little on the shotgun.
__________________
USPSA, SCSA
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-12-2019, 04:31 PM
Tom Freeman's Avatar
Tom Freeman Tom Freeman is offline
More Cowbell...
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7,301
Quote:
Originally Posted by GunBugBit View Post
If you're willing to be in the "heavy" division where you shoot .45 pistol, .308 rifle and 12ga pump, you can spend very little on the shotgun.
And thats the problem with He-Man. There are a bunch of localized rules.

Some allow semi and some require pump.

When Eddie, Kurt, Jimmy, Blaine and I came up with the concept of He-Man 15 or so years ago, it was a pump only division. It was watered down and made PC by calling it Heavy Metal.
__________________
I am a rather brilliant surgeon, perhaps I can help you with that humpÖ
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-12-2019, 07:51 PM
Striker2237 Striker2237 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 6,587
HM is weird, some require a pump others let you use a normal semi auto (no change vs a "normal" 3-gun shotgun but I think that is just so people don't need another gun on top of a battle riffle.
__________________
Carry gun(s):Wilson Carry Comp Custom Pocket carry:SIG 938 9mm. Other 1911s:WC Supergrade Accucomp .38 super, WC BW Carry Optics, WC CQB Professional .45, WC Super Sentinel, WC CQB Elite 9mm, WC EDC X9, Ed Brown SR .45, NHC Predator 2 .45, NHC T3 Hardchrome .45, Kimber Ultra .45, STI Escort .45, ATI Tactical .45, RIA Tactical 10mm, Kimber Ultra Diamond 9mm, Detonics Combat Master MKVI .45, Colt Centennial .460 Roland
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-25-2019, 07:11 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Florida
Posts: 7,583
RIA VR-80 shotgun....

I re-read my post about the RIA VR-80 shotgun.....the "barrel length" is 20" so I left out the word barrel. The overall length of the gun is about 40", however, I have since added a two port compensator!

I also received a 19 round mag that was on order, and it works fine! When I received my gun, it did not have any mention of the "break-in period" using slightly heavier 12 gauge rounds. I fired two boxes of target 12 gauge loads, and the loads to not work the bolt carrier properly and I was have constant failures to eject with the plastic hulls getting closed on the bolt.....

I had to call RIA in Parhump, NV, to discuss the issue, and they mentioned there was an insert in the owners manual about their "break-in" ammo. Well, I told them I read the entire owners manual, and I did not get an "insert" about using certain 12 gauge loads for the break-in period. Once I used the right ammo, the gun worked flawlessly. The factory rep said I should be good to go after shooting two or three boxes of the "break-in" ammo, but I needed at least 1-1/8oz of lead shot at a minimum of 1250 fps from the muzzle for optimal reliability.....

I also installed a red dot optic that fits on the picatinny rail on my RIA-VR-80.....and is was near dead on with rifled slugs at 45 yards. The optic is tall enough to see over the flip down front and rear sight without issue.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-25-2019, 08:16 AM
wc145 wc145 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,666
Quote:
Originally Posted by havanajim View Post
Some will swear that unless you hit or break the $1k mark on a shotgun, you're simply not competitive. I have to disagree. The simple, humble Mossberg 930 has proven itself to be both reliable and thoroughly effective for me - and she's shamed her share of much, much more expensive shotguns. Again, she's not very exotic and certainly lacks in cosmopolitan charm, but her controls are in the right place, she feeds any shell she meets and does her duty in spades. On those days that I'm feeling nostalgic, the 590 takes her place. With those two shotguns, I've never felt at a disadvantage. There's also an aftermarket industry for parts if 'customizing' is in order, at reasonable prices. But in the end, this 'recommendation' stuff is so subjective as to almost be academic, I suppose.
I shoot a Mossberg 930SPX and agree with havanajim 100%. It's reliable, easy to shoot, and runs with any ammo. I shoot Heavy Metal, no one around here has ever questioned me using an auto.
__________________
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge or jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - LtCol Jeff Cooper
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-25-2019, 10:29 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Florida
Posts: 7,583
3-gun shotguns and stage designs.....

If a stage in 3-gun requires 15 shotgun rounds to be fired, then reloading a pump shotgun or a semi auto shotgun is time consuming..... Competitors using Saiga semi auto mag fed shotguns often tape a spare mag upside down to the loaded mag in the gun so they can quickly eject the empty mag, and flip it over to insert the remaining loaded mag.....

When required to shoot slugs at distance, it is best to use as little choke as possible, so improved cylinder would be better than trying to use a full choke shotgun..... The problem with using an improved cylinder choke is the shot pattern greatly increases in size at targets at 10 yards or more, so it might be better to use a much larger shot to take down a pepper popper.....
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-28-2019, 04:05 PM
GunBugBit GunBugBit is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Arizona
Age: 60
Posts: 5,418
I have seen guys be competitive with budget firearms. Early on, a hundred hours of dry fire does you much better than an extra hundred or even thousand dollars in the price of the gun.

When you get to the razor's edge where you're competing against other masters and grandmasters for regional and national titles, you can logically justify spending more on your guns. At that level you're trying to find every advantage you can.
__________________
USPSA, SCSA
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:02 PM.


NOTICE TO USERS OF THIS SITE: By continuing to use this site, you certify that you have read and agree to abide by the Legal Terms of Use. All information, data, text or other materials ("Content") posted to this site by any users are the sole responsibility of those users. 1911Forum does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of such Content.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2015 1911Forum.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved