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Old 07-18-2019, 04:26 PM
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But in reality, CA has the second largest amount of guns of any state in the US.
I would like to read more about this but was unable to find anything of substance...do you have a link you can share?
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:39 AM
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I googled the states with most guns question and got an article by Jeff Edwards at Hunting Mark.com showing TX as #1 and CA #2.

Now this morning Statista came up on the same search and they show CA as #3 behind TX and FLA.

Stats, Man. Feel free to find what you can.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:59 AM
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Yes, statistics...very powerful...but also easily misused, mis-stated, or misunderstood.

In the case of the article, it appears you are quoting from Jeff Edwards, CA is #2 in Registered Firearms. Clearly, that is not the same as the total of firearms, registered or not. When one considers that CA has both a very large population and strict gun laws, it isn't surprising they have a large number of registered guns.

I didn't ask the question to argue which state has the most guns, I just wanted to understand your statement that "CA has the second largest amount of guns of any state in the US" ...and now I do. Thanks for the input that led me to your source.

Here's the article if anyone is interested: https://huntingmark.com/gun-ownership-stats/
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:34 PM
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I stand by my posted stat for two very strong reasons:

1. The quantity of Registered Guns is a hard number. It's verifiable. It's not based on polls, opinions, or any fudgeable "lost my guns in boating accident" baloney.

2. Notice how Texas, California, and Florida are the top contenders for the amount of guns owned? Well, those also happen to be 3 most populated states.

Calif: 39 Million
Texas: 29 Million
Florida 21 Million.

So that makes sense. Btw, props to Tx for batting well for it's population!
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:04 PM
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That's fine, and you're entitled to your opinion. Your opinion may very well be true. I wanted to read more so I could understand what the facts are behind your statement and now I do.
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Old 07-19-2019, 07:08 PM
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The amount of registered guns is not my opinion. It appears factual. However, it IS my opinion that it makes sense to side with the data that appears most factual.

And to change that to siding with a MORE credible source if they have a superior factual basis.

If there's more verifiable data than guns registered with state agencies I'd be happy to go with that.

My only dog in this fight is a general beef with guys who think there's virtually no gun ownership in CA.

But they are wrong on that. Because we have have such a large population here that even with our low RATE of ownership we still have a big 'ol heap of guns.
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Old 07-20-2019, 01:21 AM
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You're making your own assumptions there.
1) You're assuming that the media wouldn't call a Hispanic male white when it suits their agenda. (White hispanic, anyone?)
2) You're assuming the truth of his statement has anything to do with this incident. He made a prediction about the future; this episode is in the past. He didn't say this incident was because of sanctuary status
Nine out of ten of the 10 most wanted in Texas are WHITE. They captured the only one that was not white so now all of the ones wanted are white.
But if these guys had done something good, the race of the 7 out of 9 WHITE guys (with Hispanic in parenthesis) no doubt would be HISPANIC only, and no WHITE would follow in parenthesis.

http://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10most...itiveshttps://

www.amren.com/news/2011/07/texas_top_10_mo/
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Old 07-20-2019, 12:09 PM
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The burglar/stabber in this story is a WHITE guy: Hollis Forman, 38 years old.

The irony in this is that some posters here were calling the media biased.

Yet THEY were the biased ones. Pot meet kettle.
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Old 07-20-2019, 04:51 PM
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The media IS biased. The fact that they weren't in this single instance doesn't change that.
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Old 07-20-2019, 05:29 PM
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So that makes the people who were wrong on this NOT biased?
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Old 07-20-2019, 05:56 PM
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Plus California has Cal Crim 505 and 506. A type of official of Jury Instruction / Guide, allowing people to stand their ground and defend their lives, outside of the home.

CA is not nearly as restrictive as many guys here think. I've seen posts that ask if guns are even legal in CA at all.

There seems to be a perception that everyone here is a gay, unarmed, Democrat Antfa member.

But in reality, CA has the second largest amount of guns of any state in the US.
Well, I don't think that. I spent time there while I was in the Marines, and I did not notice that.

I think people think that way because that is about all the news and state government seems to think THEY want people to think about the state.
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:36 PM
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1911-USMC ---You did not notice what? I made a few points, not sure which one you are referring to.

And on which of these points do you think the news & state government is trying to influence our thoughts?

------- Sorry, I'm just trying to clarify what you mean.
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:48 PM
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Your point is well taken Mag man.

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The amount of registered guns is not my opinion. It appears factual. However, it IS my opinion that it makes sense to side with the data that appears most factual.

And to change that to siding with a MORE credible source if they have a superior factual basis.

If there's more verifiable data than guns registered with state agencies I'd be happy to go with that.

My only dog in this fight is a general beef with guys who think there's virtually no gun ownership in CA.

But they are wrong on that. Because we have have such a large population here that even with our low RATE of ownership we still have a big 'ol heap of guns.
But you should also consider it within context. Most states, including my own have zero registered firearms. As the state does not register them, nor do the feds. Something to consider.

I have no doubt that there are a very high number of firearms owners in the golden state. All to the good no doubt. I wish you people well.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:41 PM
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Thanks USMM guy ----------- we need all the help we can get.
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:59 AM
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But in reality, CA has the second largest amount of guns of any state in the US.
And California passes multiple additional gun control laws each and every year.
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Old 07-21-2019, 09:00 AM
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Glad the son came to the rescue...I would like to have seen the dad have a gun within easy reach though, could have saved a lot of pain on his part...
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Old 07-21-2019, 05:51 PM
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1911-USMC ---You did not notice what? I made a few points, not sure which one you are referring to.

And on which of these points do you think the news & state government is trying to influence our thoughts?

------- Sorry, I'm just trying to clarify what you mean.
What I am saying is that I think a good portion of the people, that call California home, are a lot like us on this forum, and not so much the rabid Leftist the rest of the country think they are.

I worked with a guy from upstate New York, and he was one of the most "back-woods" kind of a guy I ever knew. He hated that when people would ask him why New York State was so full of Liberals.

Sadly, I think places like Los Angeles and San Francisco tend to set the "tone" for the whole state of California, and that there are quite a few people out there who are not the kind you see participating in some kind of freak show parade.
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Old 07-21-2019, 05:58 PM
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OttoLoader. Yes, you are correct: CA makes more gun control laws all the time.

Because our massive amount of gun owners are still a political minority. We have THAT many people.

Piddly little San Diego County, yes, COUNTY has more people than any of the 20 least populated STATES. From Iowa on down.
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Old 07-21-2019, 06:03 PM
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1911-USMC , Okay I get ya. And yes, the majority of people here, Left or Right, are painfully ordinary & dull.

Freak show parades? Nah. Most stay home & watch Family Feud then go to bed at 9:30.
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