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Old 01-18-2020, 10:54 PM
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misinformation about non-existent bills being signed into law, and other attempts to gain attention or stoke people’s fear and anger.
To say this isn’t helpful is an understatement.

We’re currently just a few weeks into Virginia’s legislative session, and the fact is, not one bad bill has become a bad law.

Nothing’s been signed by the governor yet. In fact, nothing has even gotten to his desk at the moment.

We’ve had three gun control bills pass out of the Senate, but the House hasn’t even had a single committee hearing on any gun control legislation.

In fact, Virginia gun owners are actually having an impact on the debate in the legislature, thanks to the Second Amendment Sanctuary movement that’s swept across the state and has led to tens of thousands of engaged citizens contacting their lawmakers to oppose Ralph Northam’s gun control agenda.

and lots more...


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Old 01-18-2020, 11:52 PM
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Old 01-19-2020, 12:48 AM
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Thank you very much for the report.

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We have had some armchair agitators even here on the forum trying to stir things up that they know very little about. In a fashion that does little to aid the cause.

The law abiding and peace loving citizens of the commonwealth from all walks of life. As also from all backgrounds and ethnicities are coalescing together to send a message that God given rights to all men and women are held sacred and protected against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They are hearing us in Richmond and will hear us more in the coming days, count on it.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:05 AM
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We have had some armchair agitators even here on the forum trying to stir things up that they know very little about. In a fashion that does little to aid the cause.

The law abiding and peace loving citizens of the commonwealth from all walks of life. As also from all backgrounds and ethnicities are coalescing together to send a message that God given rights to all men and women are held sacred and protected against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They are hearing us in Richmond and will hear us more in the coming days, count on it.
For state residents out of the state for the rally, is there a tangible way to support?
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:10 AM
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We have had some armchair agitators even here on the forum trying to stir things up that they know very little about. In a fashion that does little to aid the cause.

The law abiding and peace loving citizens of the commonwealth from all walks of life. As also from all backgrounds and ethnicities are coalescing together to send a message that God given rights to all men and women are held sacred and protected against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They are hearing us in Richmond and will hear us more in the coming days, count on it.
Great report in the link...and great paragraph above, this is what the 2A movement is about!!!

You guys are making a big impact and will continue to do so with such unity and scale. You are handling this exactly as you should at this point - peacefully, within the law. There is a time and place for everything, after the protest and lobby phase there will be a time for litigation against the un-constitutional laws which do make it through (and this # of laws will be diminished because of the efforts going on now). Any action's beyond that is just speculation, the proverbial "getting ahead of one's skis", and I'll add for fun to that quote "with their camouflage uniform on". If and when the time comes the Coalition-of-Patriots you have formed will have the ability to further resist as needed and pursuant with your God-Given-rights..
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:33 AM
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(Disclaimer: I haven't confirmed, but just heard this stuff. No intention of being an armchair agitator)


I saw on fakebook that the VA legislator was busy passing several non gun laws, while using the gun control scare as a smoke screen. I can't find the post now, but it was stuff like VA's electoral college Presidential votes go to the winner of the nationwide popular vote. The VA Governor determined by congressional districts, not by votes. 8 year term for Governor, ect. Clinton used gun control talk as a distraction to pass some stuff back when he was President. Could be the same thing going on in VA.
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:50 AM
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Saw this this morning. The paragraph about the anti- gun group canceling their attendance piqued my interest. I would not be surprised if the Nortaham squad tipped them off to internal plans to instigate an incident. I for one, would not enter their "kill box," even if armed. Knowing the position of the MSM, no matter what happens, 2A people will be blamed.


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Old 01-19-2020, 08:57 AM
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I saw on fakebook that the VA legislator was busy passing several non gun laws, while using the gun control scare as a smoke screen. I can't find the post now, but it was stuff like VA's electoral college Presidential votes go to the winner of the nationwide popular vote. The VA Governor determined by congressional districts, not by votes. 8 year term for Governor, ect. Clinton used gun control talk as a distraction to pass some stuff back when he was President. Could be the same thing going on in VA.
They were a lot of bills being promised by these same hacks that would make California's government proud. This is a 2A forum, not a general politics forum, but the fact they want an unarmed populace should give you an idea how the populace may feel about the other laws they wish to pass. The only way a man can remain king when the peasants don't like him, is to make it difficult for the peasants to revolt, and offer those who fight the peasants a handsome reward.

We are not approaching socialism. We are approaching feudalism in the name of Democratic-Socialism. Men like Soros and Bloomberg see themselves as Kings, and see the politicians they buy as knights to keep us (the serfs) under control.
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Old 01-19-2020, 09:24 AM
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This is the latest update for VCDL

IMPORTANT REQUEST: We need 10,000 patriots to fill the Capitol grounds for Monday's rally!
Unfortunately, the Virginia Supreme Court just said they did not have enough information on the stay denied by the lower court to issue their own stay, so the Governor's illegal gun-ban on Capitol grounds is going to stand for this event.
Here is what we need to do on Monday to make the rally a success:
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1. VCDL needs at least 10,000 members/gun owners to commit to "taking one for the team'" by entering the Capitol grounds unarmed around 10 am and being in place for the rally by 10:45 am. Those who were lobbying will already be unarmed, so we urge them to be part of the 10,000 inside the fencing. NOTE: knives with folding metal blades less than 3-inches long are ARE permitted both in the General Assembly AND on the Capitol grounds.
2. For every one gun owner on the Capitol grounds, we need another two to five people outside the Capitol grounds's fence on 9th Street. Those doing so can be legally armed.
If you can commit to being one of our needed 10,000 unarmed members inside the fence, please help us by asking several of your family and friends to be your designated armed escort to the gates and to stand outside the fenced area to watch over us.
WHY:
We are separating our responsibilities, in this otherwise untenable and unconstitutional situation foisted on gun owners by Northam. Gun owners standing, both inside and outside of the fence, ensure that the Capitol grounds and the surrounding area is filled to capacity to hear our speakers and it will make a great visual for the cameras!

For those who are going to be on the Capitol grounds, the less items you bring along, the quicker and more efficient the screening.

VCDL will have loudspeakers so that those outside the fence will be able to hear. The event will also be broadcast live on WRVA radio, 1140 AM /96.1 FM.
IMPORTANT:
We ask everyone to follow the temporary Capitol grounds rules. There is NO need for an act of civil disobedience to achieve standing for a court fight. We already have standing.
We still will have our day in court to fully debate the governor's unconstitutional overreach in just a few short weeks.
Thank you very much for your support and understanding. The Governor and his cronies would like nothing better than to see the Capitol grounds empty, with the speakers talking only to themselves. We simply cannot let that happen.

PLEASE CHOOSE ONE:
• Arrive temporarily UNARMED and go INSIDE the fenced area on the Capitol grounds or
• Stand with us, LEGALLY ARMED if you so choose, just OUTSIDE the fence and watch over your brothers and sisters inside the fence
Either way, we'll see you there!

FINAL NOTE:
Monday is going to be a day of lobbying, with a peaceful rally. All law-abiding citizens are invited. The Capitol, State, and Richmond police forces will be providing strong security. We thank them in advance for helping make sure that the event is a safe and fun event.
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Old 01-19-2020, 12:10 PM
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Old 01-19-2020, 12:52 PM
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Why doesn't everyone stay armed and watch/listen from out side the fence?
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Old 01-19-2020, 01:12 PM
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The govt of Va obviously fears honest armed citizens.
Sorry but I think those 10,000 people inside the fence should show up armed and ignore Gov Northam’s illegal temporary ban of firearms on capital grounds.
WE-THEY the people rule that state and it’s no different elsewhere. To follow the new ban will be complying with tyranny and it should not be allowed or followed.
Show up armed and in numbers so great they cannot do anything but stand down and let the citizens peacefully gather.
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Old 01-19-2020, 03:48 PM
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Sharing something I came across..just a fyi.
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Old 01-19-2020, 04:15 PM
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We need to give VCDL the ten thousand they need, unarmed, to go inside the fence, and we need to give them the 30 to 50 thousand armed citizens who will stay outside the fence. Doing this is not caving in. Consider it a white truce flag moment...we all meet on common ground...we listen to each other. This is the state's chance to show good faith. If they move against the ten thousand or allow a fascist group like Antifa to attack them, that is when the 30 to 50 thousand armed citizens can use the Second Amendment to come to the aid of their fellow citizens.
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Old 01-19-2020, 04:20 PM
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Yeah.....that would turn out well.
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Old 01-19-2020, 04:33 PM
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The govt of Va obviously fears honest armed citizens.
I don't think they are motivated by fear. This is a strategy. What Northam and the Democrats are doing is working with the media to create a narrative. The narrative is the protestors are dangerous extremists (militiamen, racists, etc.) who want violence. I saw one story characterizing the protestors as "thousands of militiamen". All you have to do is follow MSM accounts to see the picture they are creating. Its a catch 22. The protestors are either forced to participate in the phony state of emergency or violate it so Northam gets his wish for physical confrontation hoping to get the moral high ground. Either way it "validates" the narrative.
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Old 01-19-2020, 04:50 PM
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The govt of Va obviously fears honest armed citizens.
I don't think they are motivated by fear. This is a strategy. What Northam and the Democrats are doing is working with the media to create a narrative. The narrative is the protestors are dangerous extremists (militiamen, racists, etc.) who want violence. I saw one story characterizing the protestors as "thousands of militiamen". All you have to do is follow MSM accounts to see the picture they are creating. Its a catch 22. The protestors are either forced to participate in the phony state of emergency or violate it so Northam gets his wish for physical confrontation hoping to get the moral high ground. Either way it "validates" the narrative.
Bingo.
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Old 01-19-2020, 05:49 PM
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I don't think they are motivated by fear. This is a strategy. What Northam and the Democrats are doing is working with the media to create a narrative. The narrative is the protestors are dangerous extremists (militiamen, racists, etc.) who want violence. I saw one story characterizing the protestors as "thousands of militiamen". All you have to do is follow MSM accounts to see the picture they are creating. Its a catch 22. The protestors are either forced to participate in the phony state of emergency or violate it so Northam gets his wish for physical confrontation hoping to get the moral high ground. Either way it "validates" the narrative.
Exactly. I sincerely hope everything goes according to the way the VCDL thinks and wants it to go. I really do. But I just don’t see that happening. I’m sorry but lobbying people who actively despise and hate you is the very definition of pointless. Nothing anyone does tomorrow will change the mind of Northam, those in the VA Legislature who are proposing and passing these bills or those in the media. They have their minds made up as to what they want and what they are willing to do to implement their agenda. They and the liberal media already consider gun owners “nazis” and “terrorists” and nothing will change their minds.

I’m going to be interested on how LE will act/react. Are they going to uphold their oaths to the Constitution and the citizens of VA or will they do the bidding of the communists in the VA state government?

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Old 01-19-2020, 06:03 PM
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It takes courage to march in the face of hate - is is not for the faint of heart (ask Martin Luther King's niece who speaks to this notion all the time and supports 2A, and POTUS)...The Patriots are doing an amazing thing for all of us in America who believe in the constitution, gun owner or not.

An amazing thing is that so many in the country are talking about tomorrow's even. They get what is at stake whether they own guns or not. I was surprised how many of my friends in the NYC tri-state area know what is going on down there...

BTW, MLK's niece, Alveda Celeste King, was recently at the Liberty University Convention in VA for Q&A where this rally came up as a question for her. Like how would MLK have handled it. She is a very spiritually centered human bean, anyone can tell that by listening to her for just a few min's. She did recommend starting with prayer to obtain guidance.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:18 PM
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I’m going to be interested on how LE will act/react. Are they going to uphold their oaths to the Constitution and the citizens of VA or will they do the bidding of the communists in the VA state government?
All part of the Alinsky demonization strategy. The police won't be confronting law abiding citizens. They will be confronting evil militiamen and white supremacists. Just like the Soviet police never harmed law abiding citizens or legitimate protestors, only dangerous subversives.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:33 PM
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Exactly. I sincerely hope everything goes according to the way the VCDL thinks and wants it to go. I really do. But I just don’t see that happening. I’m sorry but lobbying people who actively despise and hate you is the very definition of pointless. Nothing anyone does tomorrow will change the mind of Northam, those in the VA Legislature who are proposing and passing these bills or those in the media. They have their minds made up as to what they want and what they are willing to do to implement their agenda. They and the liberal media already consider gun owners “nazis” and “terrorists” and nothing will change their minds.

I’m going to be interested on how LE will act/react. Are they going to uphold their oaths to the Constitution and the citizens of VA or will they do the bidding of the communists in the VA state government?
I think you are missing something. This proposed legislation is pretty aggregious. You only have to turn a few of the libtards. Pressure, pressure, pressure!
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Why doesn't everyone stay armed and watch/listen from out side the fence?
Why not be armed and peaceful inside the pen?
Being forced to be unarmed seems silly to me.
2A is not quite united yet.
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Why doesn't everyone stay armed and watch/listen from out side the fence?
Why not be armed and peaceful inside the pen?
Being forced to be unarmed seems silly to me.
2A is not quite united yet.
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Have you not noted you won’t be allowed inside the fence if armed?
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:51 PM
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What I would say to all Virginians and Americans is "not one more inch". I really wish I could be there tomorrow however I have no one to watch my wife (stroke last year). Some pretty outstanding comments in this thread so far and I will pray for a peaceful day tomorrow. I agree with trying to accomplish the mission peacefully. Let the governor make his bed but then he has to lay in it.
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