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Old 01-17-2020, 09:08 PM
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What 1911s would you suggest I look into?

I would like to get your suggestions for an appendix carry 1911.

I have a gov't model and VBob commander. I really like the VBob for OWB @ 3 O'clock, but I can't get it adjusted, @/AIWB. The commander winds up digging into me, when sitting, regardless of how I shift it.

I am thinking about a DW ECO. I want a full 3 finger grip on the front strap. 3.5" barrel seems better than 4" because of the "digging."

I recently decided against the S&W Pro 3" due to lack of front strap real estate.
And, I discounted Wilson Combat and the new DWXC because they are 4".

Any Ideas? Thanks
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:22 PM
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I really love the Pointman carry 9. Short grip, commander slide. Maybe that'd work. Fiber front maybe too delicate?
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:38 PM
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:41 PM
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OP I suggest that you look at Lucky Gunner videos on AIWB holster and carry. Your problem might be in your choice of holster. Just a thought
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:44 PM
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Don't forget a Colt Defender or CCO. Both of course have the shorter Officers sized frames through. If you're looking for something with a full-length grip and a 3-3.5" barrel you might have to have one built for you, since that configuration is rarely ever offered. Most people want the shorter grip since that's the part that's harder to conceal.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:41 AM
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think the ECO will get the nod.
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Old 01-19-2020, 05:11 AM
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A few points...

1911's under 4 inches get more complex to ensure reliability. I'm not saying that all 1911's under 4" are unreliable. Only that it gets more challenging. For me, a half inch, which isn't much, isn't enough of a plus to justify the added risk. YMMV

Shorter is not always better in the appendix position. For starters a shorter barrel can lead to a top heavy gun that wants to flop over the belt. Secondly, and while it seems like a shorter barrel would stop the rubbing, sometimes a longer barrel...or a longer holster at least...is what is needed. Appendix is kinda weird like that. But there are a lot of variables at play here between gun/holster/belt combinations, body types, etc., so it can be hard to diagnose and offer suggestions.

At appendix, a high quality and purpose built appendix holster is an absolute must. And it can make all the difference between carrying comfortably and not. As MDELLIS49 said, You may be having a holster problem and not a gun problem.

Additionally, if you're going to be carrying a 1911 with a full size grip, you absolutely want a holster with a wing/claw feature to help keep the butt of the gun tucked in along your body line so it doesn't print. And a good pad at the bottom of the holster can work wonders to aid in comfort and also to help push the butt in closer to your body.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:32 AM
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I would like to get your suggestions for an appendix carry 1911.

I have a gov't model and VBob commander. I really like the VBob for OWB @ 3 O'clock, but I can't get it adjusted, @/AIWB. The commander winds up digging into me, when sitting, regardless of how I shift it.

I am thinking about a DW ECO. I want a full 3 finger grip on the front strap. 3.5" barrel seems better than 4" because of the "digging."

I recently decided against the S&W Pro 3" due to lack of front strap real estate.
And, I discounted Wilson Combat and the new DWXC because they are 4".

Any Ideas? Thanks
This is a difficult question to answer in abstract, as everyone is different in terms of size, comfort, and frame. The holster also makes a big difference. It has taken me a very long time to find an appendix holster I find comfortable enough for all day and that conceals as well as I think it should.

I carry a full 5" railed gun with a x300 and a 10rnd appendix. The key for me was the Phlster floodlight holster. I'm not affiliated with him, but we reached out needing a solution for better concealment on our fullsize guns. The best part about this holster was that it works on all of those, since its based on the light. so swap the light (x300 in our case, tlr1 is available) and any other pistol fits.

I set it up with soft loops, and a dark wing from dark star concealment, and a wedge. dark star makes that and Tier 1 concealment makes a "wedge" that also works really well too. The other key for me was offsetting the gun slightly. So, being blunt: i dress my cock to the left, and run the pistol down the right side "gap" between my junk and my thigh. The wedge should be sized so you can sit and not have it dig too badly at your lower bits. There isnt really a solution to keeping the gun of your stomach unless you wear an undershirt. Im going to cut a piece of leather for the holster and make a sweat shield and keep the pointy metal off me also.

That set up an a 5" gun with a light and 10 stick disappears under a shirt.

Pics below. Im 6-2; 255lb
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:17 AM
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1970mp Are you looking at a 9mm or 45 but not like it matters Buy the DW ECO or something else in the same size class and if your hands to wide for the grip to get that little finger on it then but the +1 mags with the short extended polymer base or rubber piece bottom and try some extended +2 mags for back up . Never got the aiwb thang but some work it out well enough and I tried it too . I'll stay with my high carry 3:00 rig
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Old 01-19-2020, 10:12 AM
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I would like to get your suggestions for an appendix carry 1911.

I have a gov't model and VBob commander. I really like the VBob for OWB @ 3 O'clock, but I can't get it adjusted, @/AIWB. The commander winds up digging into me, when sitting, regardless of how I shift it.

I am thinking about a DW ECO. I want a full 3 finger grip on the front strap. 3.5" barrel seems better than 4" because of the "digging."

I recently decided against the S&W Pro 3" due to lack of front strap real estate.
And, I discounted Wilson Combat and the new DWXC because they are 4".

Any Ideas? Thanks
I'm a huge fan of the Commander.
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Old 01-19-2020, 01:23 PM
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I would like to get your suggestions for an appendix carry 1911.

I have a gov't model and VBob commander. I really like the VBob for OWB @ 3 O'clock, but I can't get it adjusted, @/AIWB. The commander winds up digging into me, when sitting, regardless of how I shift it.

I am thinking about a DW ECO. I want a full 3 finger grip on the front strap. 3.5" barrel seems better than 4" because of the "digging."
I'm not an AIWB guy, but do follow posts from those that do, and some don't care for the very short barrels because the gun tends to roll over the belt since there isn't enough below the belt to stabilize the gun.

For instance some G26 or G19 carriers use a G17 or even a G34 holster for the shorter guns since the holsters are more stabile AIWB.

Whatever you get, I suspect you're still going to need to experiment a bit.
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:56 PM
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I have tried and tried to carry this way but due to a fem to gem bypass about 6 years ago it is just impossible unless I plan on standing the entire time. Frustrating as it is a very viable carry mode.
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Old 01-20-2020, 02:19 PM
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If you like DW's as I do....the Pointman Carry is a good one...and versatile as to wear you want to wear it. I can do AIWB, or OWB. I 95 % of the time do OWB....mine is a 38 Super and it feels like theres nothing there OWB.
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My appendix is too big, so I mainly stick with a commander size in a Sparks Criterion at 3:30.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:25 PM
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A round butt compact or 3 inch gun, will melt away like a G26 with ease. I do not mind LONG barrels in this position but I require total concealment so while comfortable double stacks are out for me.

I use a Wilson carry comp compact non-magwell since it's by far the fastest gun I can fully conceal by an almost laughable margin. Keeps pace with and actually defeats my full-size 9mm and CZ custom and Cajun Shadow 1/2 in most drills. It's so far the last word in performance I can fully conceal and be comfortable with and it's not even the 9mm version........those are just plain demonic, like a open gun.
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Old 01-20-2020, 06:03 PM
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What about going to one of those "Urban Carry" holsters. Supposedly more comfortable because it sits below the waist.

https://youtu.be/LY32bFCyJAo

Anyone who appendix carries is braver than I am...I could never tolerate having a loaded gun pointed at my femoral artery. If I have a ND while holstered at least all I may suffer is a bit of missing ass cheek.
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What about going to one of those "Urban Carry" holsters. Supposedly more comfortable because it sits below the waist.

https://youtu.be/LY32bFCyJAo

Anyone who appendix carries is braver than I am...I could never tolerate having a loaded gun pointed at my femoral artery. If I have a ND while holstered at least all I may suffer is a bit of missing ass cheek.
Ah, the good ol gun across the room launcher lol!

As I sit here in a hobby lobby my 4.5 inch 1911 is inline with my leg pointing to the ground same when I'm standing. Plus guns don't go off on their own. Much less a gun with two manual safeties.
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