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Old 01-14-2020, 05:25 PM
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Well, my all time favorite 1911 is first of all a Kimber, and secondly it is chambered for 9mm. So, I don't know if I failed the test on both counts or not, but I don't care. A shooter should buy the brand they prefer in the caliber that they prefer. Oh well, JMHO.
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Old 01-14-2020, 06:09 PM
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I believe you were thinking of the 9x23mm Steyr, which I believe some export Commanders were chambered in. The Glisenti is the same dimensions as the 9x19 but reduced in power. The Steyr is similar to the .38 ACP and was popular in countries like Italy where the 9x19 was illegal for civilians.
That's what I was thinking of. I was thinking off the top of my head. I'm gonna have to go back and look that up. It was for the export market and a 9mm other than the parabellum. Extremely rare to see these in the U.S.

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Old 01-14-2020, 07:05 PM
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I'm glad I don't live my life or buy my guns limited by all of these "rules" based on nostalgia. The most important factors to consider are 1) is it reliable 2) is it durable 3) is it accurate 4) does it fit me? The name on the slide means nothing if it doesn't fit these criteria.
Another fella here also referenced nostalgia.

My tastes in 1911s, or handguns in general, aren't driven by nostalgia. They are driven by my experience, what fits my hands, how I was trained and educated in guns, my personal preferences and by what role I set for the gun, meaning what it's job is supposed to be.

The above is why I tend to like Colt's. In general they are simple guns. There are practical reasons based on real world experience that inform my preferences in this regard. I don't like rails on 1911s. I don't like extended beavertails. I do not like oversized thumb safeties or oversized slide releases. I prefer arched main spring housings. I prefer standard GI recoil spring retainers over full length guide rods. There are more. There are actual reasons for this and nostalgia isn't one of them.

I grew up at a time when 1911s or their variants chambered in 9mm weren't at all common. 45 and 38 Super were common and praised where I come from (California and I'm of both Mexican-American descent). If you wanted a gun in 9mm there were and are many excellent alternatives with greater capacity. So I saw no reason to ever get one in 9mm. Simply just not on my horizon. I also don't wear Crocs or Birkenstocks. Like the 9mm in 1911s I don't have anything against them, I see the practicality, but...

If I wanted to get a 1911 for competitive shooting my first choice would not be a Colt. Unless i wanted to build one up on a custom build.

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Old 01-15-2020, 01:13 PM
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I have over 25 Colt 1911s and find it hard not to buy any at a reasonable price . Definitely my favorite .
That said I have other brands that I use for duty I dont want my Colts subjected to like landscaping and in the plow truck . ATI makes a cheap reliable gun that needs a recoil spring and a good mag to be reliable . Keep them in all my trucks

Have worked on many Springfield , Ruger and Smith 1911s they put out good quality products .
Never liked the 9mm in a 1911 till I got a Colt for my daughter then had to admit it was a lot of fun to shoot . To me my WW1 guns feel the best to handle and shoot love the pieces of history
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Old 01-15-2020, 05:13 PM
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My tastes in 1911s, or handguns in general, aren't driven by nostalgia. They are driven by my experience, what fits my hands, how I was trained and educated in guns, my personal preferences and by what role I set for the gun, meaning what it's job is supposed to be.

The above is why I tend to like Colt's. In general they are simple guns. There are practical reasons based on real world experience that inform my preferences in this regard. I don't like rails on 1911s. I don't like extended beavertails. I do not like oversized thumb safeties or oversized slide releases. I prefer arched main spring housings. I prefer standard GI recoil spring retainers over full length guide rods. There are more. There are actual reasons for this and nostalgia isn't one of them.

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You and I seem to look at guns in a similar way. Your criteria seem to be pretty close to mine.

Ok, I admit that a lot of purchases are not necessarily driven by "nostalgia", but you have to admit a lot are. Some of the posts in this thread reek of nostalgia.

I'd like to know how a Colt fits your hand better than any other 1911 with similar specs. Colt has had its QC issues in the past...just like most manufacturing companies. It baffles me why people are so blindly brand loyal and is why I said that the name is the place to START but current quality must be verified.

For my job, I train with a pistol with rails that supports a weapon mounted light, so my training fits right in with a 1911 with rails and a weapon mounted light. It's not a fad for me and I'm not a mall ninja because I have a WML. That's what I train with and know how to use safely. It can also be a form of non-lethal defense that forces a bad guy to show his hands.

I also like a somewhat "oversized" safety because I rest my right thumb on it as a little added leverage to combat muzzle rise. That's the technique I use and a larger than average safety helps that.

It sounds like our techniques for shooting are fairly different, but our reasons for buying what we buy are similar. Have a great day.
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:32 PM
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I've got a Springfield 1911 Range Officer Champion in. 45 with Hogue grips
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:58 PM
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I don't know about being an old-timer, but I have the same hangups as the OP. If I have a 1911 it's got to be a Colt (or Remington Rand) and in .45ACP. If I have a Glock, Hi-Power or Beretta 92 it's got to be a 9mm. No FEG or Taurus clones either. My only break from tradition for has been with a Winchester 1873 clone, which I bought in .357 Magnum as the original .44-40 is prohibitively expensive to shoot since I don't reload. But I were made of money I'd have an original Winchester in that caliber, not a clone.
I'm the same way; I've owned several 1911s, but never by anybody but Colt, and all in .45 ACP. And I own a couple of Glock 17s, so I'm a purist about 9mm also. But I wish you wouldn't mention FEG and Taurus in the same sentence. I've had my FEG Hi-Power clone for many years, and my trusted gunsmith assures me it's inferior to a Browning only in resale value. Besides, even genuine Browning HPs were made in so many different countries...
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Old 01-15-2020, 07:43 PM
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I know as I get older I get more reflective and nostalgic. Iím not fond of plastic pistols, still love classic Smith revolvers, Pythons, SAAs,etc. That said, I have Ruger 1911s, Sigs, have had RIAs, Paras, have Ruger DA revolvers.
If itís well built, accurate and reliable thatís all I ask of it. Hard for me to find right or wrong in firearms, good and bad maybe, but not by brand, and certainly not to a point that I would forego the pleasure of running a fine pistol because it was a ďwrongĒ brand.
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Old 01-15-2020, 07:56 PM
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I don't know if 51 is old or not . But I can say I love being ANTI-COLT . Colt really
makes nothing I like or need . I don't see anything special at all about the
product . John Browning designed it not Colt . So Colt is a Copier , of one man's
great design , like all other manufactures . Lots and lots of other manufactures
have made much better 1911's and AR's then Colt and I'd rather spend my money
on a better product .

As far as 9mm goes . Great fun to shoot , at almost half the price of 45acp .
What in Gods green earth is not to love about 9mm .

Good GOD its 2020 . Live a little . We don't ride horses to work anymore . We
drive EFI cars with air conditioning . We don't walk outside , to Sh*t in out houses
anymore . We don't keep our food fresh in Ice boxes anymore .
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Old 01-15-2020, 08:28 PM
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When it comes to 1911's I also favor Colts, with a couple Wilsons on the side. I am nearing my 64th birthday and lived in the time that Colt was the single maker of the 1911 style pistol, and I never saw one chambered in anything but .45 ACP until I was nearly 40 years old. That's when I discovered the Colt Combat Commander, chambered in .38 Super, that's stashed in my safe. Well of course I had to have it.
While I grew up hunting upland birds and varmints, I honed my firearms skills as a youngster with a 20 Gauge shotgun, and later a Winchester Model 12 Skeet, a Marlin .22 RF, and later a .22-250 caliber bolt action rifle. When I entered the handgun world it was with a S&W model 19 revolver as a new hire Deputy Sheriff. To me, S&W made the premier revolvers, and I saw no need to waste my money on anything else. When I felt the need to experiment with a semi auto pistol there was nothing else to do but buy a Colt 1911 in .45 ACP. To me, Colt was the only maker of the 1911, so no need to look any further.
As I built my collection of 1911's, I continued to look to Colt for what I wanted. While my Department began to issue the 1911, and my first was a mil spec Springfield built at Gunsite, when they became available, I quickly got them to issue me a stainless Colt Gunsite Pistol. That pistol is the duty gun I was given seven years ago when I retired from the street. My Colt Gunsite Pistol came from Colt with two Wilson Combat magazines, and seeing the quality of them, as the commander of our Enforcement Division, and department armorer, I began buying Wilson Combat 47D magazines to issue to all of the officers on our department for use in their duty guns. I also began using Wilson's parts, where I could, for repairs and upgrades to our issued 1911's. Naturally then, when I decided to step up to a higher end 1911 than Colt, I chose to go with Wilson Combat. While my EDC 1911 on the job ( well they still needed an armorer ) remains a custom Colt Defender in .45 ACP, in my personal pistols, I have moved away from the .45 ACP to .38 Super. I hand load, so the added cost of .38 Super is not an issue with me. I can load .38 Super for about twelve cents per round, using plated or jacketed bullets. I found a deal on six hundred rounds of SD .38 Super ammo loaded by Georgia Arms, that gave me 124 gr Gold Dot HP's at 1325 FPS from my four and 4.25 inch barreled Wilson and Colt pistols. I've sped up my hand loads to where they hit near the same POA as the Gold Dots. At my age, I have no fear of shooting up all my factory loaded SD .38 Super ammunition, and can cheaply load all the quality practice ammo I need.
I am without doubt a traditionalist in every way. I love blued steel and nicely figured walnut. What I've learned over fifty years of shooting is that Colt makes a great semi auto pistol, and quality AR-15's, S&W makes revolvers, Winchester and Remington make good bolt rifles, and either .45 ACP, or .38 Super is the bomb from the 1911 pistol.
It took me a while growing up with glocks, but I am starting to feel this way as well.


Oh, thanks for making me start thinking about a 38 super............
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Old 01-15-2020, 08:39 PM
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I don't know if 51 is old or not . But I can say I love being ANTI-COLT . Colt really
makes nothing I like or need . I don't see anything special at all about the
product . John Browning designed it not Colt . So Colt is a Copier , of one man's
great design , like all other manufactures . Lots and lots of other manufactures
have made much better 1911's and AR's then Colt and I'd rather spend my money
on a better product .

As far as 9mm goes . Great fun to shoot , at almost half the price of 45acp .
What in Gods green earth is not to love about 9mm .

Good GOD its 2020 . Live a little . We don't ride horses to work anymore . We
drive EFI cars with air conditioning . We don't walk outside , to Sh*t in out houses
anymore . We don't keep our food fresh in Ice boxes anymore .
JMB designed the 1911 in the employ of Colt. Ergo, Colt is the originator.

JMB also designed the Winchester 1895. I donít hear you calling Winchester a copier...
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Old 01-15-2020, 10:03 PM
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As an " oldtimer " myself, I prefer 1911s over anything else. I am not emotionally attached to one brand of 1911s however, as I had owned Colts, Springfields, and Kimbers.

I am also not a " gun snob ", as I am planning of getting a Rock Island 1911 in the not too distant future.
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Old 01-15-2020, 10:31 PM
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I don't like those 9MM 1911s either. It just ain't right. I've only had a few Colts, Kimbers, Springfields, Dan Wessons, and an STI chambered in 9MM. I'm down to only a couple 9MM 1911s now, because it just ain't right. They're not even Colts
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Old 01-15-2020, 11:09 PM
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There is always a trade-off. Reliability under awful conditions ( military 1911). Tack driver custom target 1911. Which is best for EDC? IMHO, unless $3500-7000 means nothing to tour lifestyle, why carry such a gun if you have ti use it? LEO will confiscate it. In FIRED DIRTY condition (evidence). In a few months, you MAY get it back- depending upon where you use it. Now, you need another EDC. Ok. Pop another $3000-7000 for a Ed Brown etc. IMHO, a reliable “ body of angle” accuracy -$500-800 pistol is the best choice. As for accuracy, it doesn’t matter how you aim or the sights you use until you can pull the trigger and not move the sights.
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:40 AM
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JMB designed the 1911 in the employ of Colt. Ergo, Colt is the originator.

JMB also designed the Winchester 1895. I donít hear you calling Winchester a copier...
I looked at what I think is the patent for the 1911 and I believe it is called the John M Browning autoloading pistol or something like that. I don't recall seeing the name Colt anywhere on the patent. I don't know if the info that I have read about the 1911 is correct or not. It said that Colt hired JMB to develop a pistol that would fill the requirements that the U.S. government wanted so they could possibly win a contract to supply them. I would guess by Colt hiring JMB to do this. That they must have not had enough confidence in any of their employees to be able to develop the weapon.

I read an article about JMB and it stated that he loved inventing firearms. But did not like manufacturing them. It stated that he preferred having their companies manufacture his inventions. No, I am not stating this is what happened with the 1911. It is just a bit of info that I read.

The 1911 is not the only firearm that Colt manufactured quite a few of that they did not invent. The AR-10 rifle was designed by Eugene Stoner at Armalite. His chief assistant Robert Freemont along with Jim Sullivan developed the AR-15. Colt bought the patent from Armalite.
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:09 AM
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JMB designed the 1911 in the employ of Colt. Ergo, Colt is the originator.

JMB also designed the Winchester 1895. I don’t hear you calling Winchester a copier...



Yes you are right , I should have called Colt the " first " copier of the 1911

Oh are we talking about Winchester ... NO .
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:58 AM
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It is too early to go into a lengthy post so here is the short version from a fellow "geezer" and self-professed grumpy old man in training.

1911 - Colt, Wilson and Les Baer. I'm a sucker for his hard fit guns. .45 go big or go home. Never changing my mind.

9mm - Beretta 92 platform, HK USP/P series. I loved Sig for many years but with the transition to the striker platform, and a focus on profits above all else, I'll never spend another dollar on a Sig.

EDC - Colt LW Commander in .45 when I'm wearing jeans and a P30sk for everything else. If the weather is ****, and I get a case of nostalgia, I'll carry one of my 5" all steel guns but that is getting more infrequent the older I get.

That is pretty much what I've boiled down to. I've gone through several phases of selling off guns and I do have a few others not specifically mentioned above. Doesn't really matter as we make our own choices and justifications. In the end we all have what works for us and that is good thing. Just don't try to convince me that I need a 1911 in anything but .45
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Old 01-17-2020, 05:48 AM
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Also I think Colt is the " first " manufacture to give into the anti-gun lobby . By only
selling their deadly Colt AR-15's to Military and LE only . You Colt owners just are not
responsible enough to have one .

Another " first " for Colt
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Colt has had bad management for a long time, bad Q.C., no inventory, discontinue production of popular firearms, just too much B.S. for me to deal with. I am amazed that they are still in business. It does appear that they may be turning things around, I hope so. The new Python is interesting and I would like to have an all steel Commander in 38 super so maybe one day.
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Old 01-17-2020, 07:58 AM
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I like Colt autos, S&W double action wheel guns, Ruger single action wheel guns and Glock for plastic strikers. As far as 1911 caliber, I'm ok with anything that runs. Majority of mine are 45 but I've got a 9, 38 super, and 10mm. I've tried other brands and have always come back to my Colts.
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I would agree with all the above....however....I do have ONE 1911 in 9mm...DW Valor....which is a great, quality made piece. I only use it for target/range because of the simple fact of the price of ammo....and that I have a ton of 9mm laying around from
reloading for it all the years. Just saying......
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Old 01-17-2020, 08:56 AM
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I have no issues with the manufacturers of 1911, or their chambering. With that said all my 1911s are Colt, but I really hope some day to get an Ithaca.

I'm old school in that I find the 45 ACP suits my needs perfectly. In fact, I don't even own a handgun or squirt gun in 9 mm. However, the 9 mm has undergone continuous improvement since its introduction. And today, it is a an excellent defensive and competition round and its ballistics seem to rival the 45 ACP and maybe in some instances surpasses it. Whereas, not much improvement has been done over the years which says something about its staying power in terms of a target, defensive, and competition round.
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Sold my Ruger CMD commander to a friend yesterday.
Nothing wrong with it, but I came to the conclusion that brands like Ruger, Sig, Smith and Wesson and the 1911 just don't go together.
Yes they make good guns.
But when I think of Ruger, I think Strong single action guns.
When I think of Sig, I think of The West German P series guns.
Smith and Wesson, I think of those great "N" frame revolvers.

I also don't like the 9mm in the 1911.

A cartridge that was used by the Germans in WW2 in a American gun, just isn't right.
But that's a rant for another day.

I think there's a difference between being an "old-timer" and being just plain old and "stodgy". The former knows what used to be from personal experience and can evaluate what's happening now and recognize what's good and what's bad in the new stuff. The latter is someone who can't accept anything that's different.

As for me as an old-timer, I'm fine with all of those brands in 1911 as long as they're high quality guns. I question the business sense of so many companies making a model of gun that isn't what the majority of current shooters are looking for, because younger shooters are chasing the latest plastic pistol. But if they make the 1911 in a high quality way and it works for their business, I'm behind it.

I don't agree with the 1911 in 9mm because, based on personal experience, it's a platform that isn't good with that cartridge. The cartridge is too short, so you have to put a spacer in the magazine to get the cartridge to hope to cycle properly. I've seen it fail enough to conclude it's just not right.

If you want a 1911 in a smaller bore size than .45, there's always .38 Super. That cartridge, even with it's semi-rimmed design, works great in a 1911.
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:19 AM
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“Colt forty five” what sounds better than that?
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