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Old 01-14-2020, 10:48 PM
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Extra weight . Gives extra Control . HRT likes them




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Old 01-15-2020, 08:58 AM
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On a plastic gun fine but on a classic they just look unnatural. Anyone agree?
Altogether agree.

On a 1911, of all the gewgaws that people uglify the poor gun with, there's nothing uglier than a "light rail".

Just another "gun fashion" fad.

(Yes, of course it might be genuinely useful to have a light attached to your pistol in certain law enforcement-related conditions, but 99.999% of the purchasers of "light rail 1911s" neither legitimately need nor use a gun-attached light.
(A separate handheld flashlight is a different and altogether useful and necessary item.)
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:29 AM
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I've somewhat gotten used to rails on 1911's. I thought they really looked odd when they came out, but I think they look OK now. However, I still think the full length rail looks odd.

I don't use a mounted light on a pistol, so it's not something I need to have, and I think it complicates holster choices somewhat, so I prefer the 1911 without a rail.

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(Yes, of course it might be genuinely useful to have a light attached to your pistol in certain law enforcement-related conditions, but 99.999% of the purchasers of "light rail 1911s" neither legitimately need nor use a gun-attached light.
A separate handheld flashlight is a different and altogether useful and necessary item.)
I agree, and I always think of the comment on the Tucker FAQ page...

https://tuckergunleather.com/faq/

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Q. Does Tucker recommend carrying a defensive pistol with a light attached to an accessory rail?

A. Tucker says, "If you're on a SWAT team, go for it. If not, your pistol is a quick-response tool for a sudden and extreme self-defense situation. If you have a light on the gun, you may find it distracting enough to slow down your response."
and this Tom Givens comment...

https://civiliandefender.com/2016/04...vens-glock-35/
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...in the 60 plus defensive shootings his students have been involved in, the lighting (or lack of lighting) was a factor in the outcome in exactly ZERO cases.
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:48 AM
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Not unlike those who find plastic guns useful or having their place. As practical as they maybe I still find them just plain fugly.

I already have a Sig P226 TacOps with a light rail. If I ever need a light rail I already have one I don't need to spend money on an fugly 1911.
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:22 PM
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I own far too many guns with rails. I only have those because I couldn't get them without. I would have paid extra to do a rail delete but they just don't have that as an option for most pistols. I don't need a light. It's not dark enough in any part of my environs that I would need it to find my target and if it's bumping around in the dark in my house without a light it is a target. I did put a laser on my SAR K2 45 night stand gun just because it had a rail. Don't really even need or want that though, cause it's not going to be more than a few yard shot if needed. 1911's give me an option for with or without and I can definitively state that I will never own a railed 1911.

Oh yea, and, Marine Corp.... your M45 A1's are fugly!!!!!
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:20 PM
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I didnít like the looks of them, then I took a bunch of low light shooting classes. My home defense 1911 has a rail and the brightest light I can hang on it.

Still donít like the looks, though
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Old 01-17-2020, 12:26 AM
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how else do you attach the grenade launcher or bayonet to the 1911?
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Old 01-17-2020, 05:40 AM
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how else do you attach the grenade launcher or bayonet to the 1911?




The same way old guys , always do things to their non-railed Colts .

With electrical tape , because they don't like rails
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Old 01-17-2020, 02:25 PM
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While I understand the dislike

If you are one of those people trolling around in the dark waiting for the dispatcher to send you somewhere you really don’t go.

A 1911 with a light on a rail is a wonderful thing

If nothing else, consider it a work truck edition of a 1911
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Old 01-17-2020, 03:16 PM
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Making a tool better is always good. Anybody have lights on their AR's or shotgun?
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Old 01-17-2020, 03:33 PM
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With a light on your weapon, the bad guy won't have to guess where to aim.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:02 AM
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Rails on a 1911 are like a thong on a fat chick.

Thank You for that image that you have left in my mind!!!
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:07 AM
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I am not a fan of rails on a 1911. First off they don't look right. Second the extra weight would do my lower back and hip no favors. As for polymer guns I have no problem with rails.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:32 AM
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With a light on your weapon, the bad guy won't have to guess where to aim.
The same is true of any flashlight.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:13 PM
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The same is true of any flashlight.
That is correct.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:17 PM
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With a light on your weapon, the bad guy won't have to guess where to aim.
Ever had a Surefire 300 shined in your eyes? You won't be aiming...you'll be covering your eyes.

Rule #4 Know your target, know your backstop. And don't come back with "Rule #2 Don't let your muzzle cover anything you're not willing to destroy". If you don't identify your target, you might shoot a family member, but if you keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on a target you WANT to engage, you're fine.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:13 PM
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Ever had a Surefire 300 shined in your eyes? You won't be aiming...you'll be covering your eyes.

Rule #3 Know your target, know your backstop.
I would be splattering the bad guy all over the wall long before they ever had the opportunity to shine a light in my face. Their use of a flashlight would be almost as good as if they were wearing a neon bullseye.

I understand using a light if you are set up in an ambush position. It would work well for that.

If for any reason a person had to be on the move. A light does not look like it would be a good idea.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:16 PM
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I would be splattering the bad guy all over the wall long before they ever had the opportunity to shine a light in my face. There use of a flashlight would be almost as good as if they were wearing a neon bullseye.

I understand using a light if you are set up in an ambush position. It would work well for that.

If for any reason a person had to be on the move. A light does not look like it would be a good idea.
You've obviously not trained to use a weapon mounted light. Good luck to ya.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:36 PM
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You've obviously not trained to use a weapon mounted light. Good luck to ya.
And I can assure you that I never will. But it does make me feel better knowing you believe in their use.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:10 PM
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I've got a few 1911s with rails and a few without rails. I also have polymer frame/steel slide pistols that some have rails, some don't. One of my favorite railed 1911s is my Colt M45A1.

I am retired law enforcement while we trained how to clear a building I can assure you it never happened at the border; and taught the correct way to shoot with a flashlight either on the rail or in the support hand. There's a reason for the momentary switch!

It's doubtful that I will try to clear my house on my own but my nightstand pistol (whichever one I'm using) has a light on it; and there is one in the nightstand with a laser/light combo on it as well. Like racking a shotgun to chamber a round, lighting someone up with a laser is like a warning shot. Ever been lasered?

Opinions are like certain parts of the Human Anatomy - unless surgically removed and replaced by a tube and bag (and apologies to anyone with that set-up) we all have them - and we are entitled to express them. If I don't like someone's opinion I don't attack them, address their opinion with yours.

I have a Commander sized double stack .45 ACP "1911" with a polymer frame. Some will cry blasphemy, others will not. It's made in Israel by Bul; and it is the same frame that Kimber and Springfield Armory Inc. used...
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Old 01-22-2020, 08:50 PM
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Well... if you’re gonna go there... it’s like a 1911 in a caliber other than .45! Just not right. That said... I kinda like the MARSOC “.45”😉👍
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Old 01-22-2020, 09:32 PM
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Im certainly pro classic look, but i think some of the ones with rails look pretty nice. My criteria for rails is that it have we aligned ball cuts to the rail.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:08 PM
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Im certainly pro classic look, but i think some of the ones with rails look pretty nice. My criteria for rails is that it have we aligned ball cuts to the rail.
A slight angled cut on the dust cover looks nice as well if you match it to the slide cuts.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:00 AM
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1911 guns with rails.....

Rails on a 1911 are most often used for lights..... LEO's and Military often use light mounted weapon, but civilians not as much, and are usually not needed. Being trained for holding flashlights when using a hand gun is a good option, and the Harrie's and syringe technique are often viable.

However, any 1911 without rails can add a mount under the frame to allow using a light when needed....the attached Novak Tactical blued steel is one option.....It is a simple matter to drill and tap three holes in the frame to secure the three mounting screws......and it is removeable if ever desired....
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Old 01-23-2020, 06:32 AM
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Extra weight . Gives extra Control . HRT likes them

I also like the extra weight. I've gotten used to the looks and don't even notice them now.

Nice pistols you have there.
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