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Old 01-07-2020, 06:14 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
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Rails on a 1911

In the sport of USPSA, the Limited Division which means no compensators or optical sights are allowed, has many shooters using the STI 2011 Edge, which has a full steel dust cover that extends to the front edge of the 5" slide.

This makes the gun muzzle heavy, but the added weight helps to mitigate muzzled rise and will allow faster follow up shots (controlled pairs). It provides a benefit, and was not just designed for the look.....

Any 1911 that has a rail that allows a light to be attached will also add weight to the gun, and many LEO's prefer a light on their gun so they can use a two hand hold and not use one hand holding a flashlight.....which would force them to shoot "strong hand only."

I like most all 1911 and STI/SV 2011 guns in any format.....and some styles offer benefits to be able to shoot faster with good accuracy for concealed carry, competition shooting, law enforcement or military use!

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Old 01-07-2020, 06:34 AM
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Different strokes..At first, i didn’t consider a rail, but now they’ve grown on me. My last 2 have rails, the priors do not. Having the option of a light laser mounted is a great functional option imho. Here’s a fugly one for the rail haters... Never say never....
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:25 AM
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Not a rail guy, but some rails are better than others and sometimes when you can get a gun you want for half the price of it new, you decide to like owning 1 rail gun.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:34 AM
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:49 AM
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Rails on a 1911 = boobs on a boar.

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Old 01-07-2020, 03:10 PM
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I think a rail on a handgun with a light tells the bad guy exactly where you are, before you see him. We see this stuff on tv but in real life situations to me it could be a disadvantage. The ratchety noise of a 12 ga pump may work better.
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Old 01-07-2020, 05:28 PM
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I agree, although I owned a railed Kimber years ago and the rail didn't bother me.
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Old 01-07-2020, 05:45 PM
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If lights on a pistol were such a disadvantage then why are they pretty much on every LEO and Special Ops pistols? If they were so bad they would have faded away long ago. Its all in training and proper usage. They are not meant for walking your way down a trail. They are used for target ID and as an added bonus temporarily blind/disorient your suspect.
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Old 01-07-2020, 05:50 PM
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If lights on a pistol were such a disadvantage then why are they pretty much on every LEO and Special Ops pistols? If they were so bad they would have faded away long ago. Its all in training and proper usage. They are not meant for walking your way down a trail. They are used for target ID and as an added bonus temporarily blind/disorient your suspect.
I sometimes use a WML on my HD weapon (a Glock). I have no use for a WML on a carry weapon (sometimes a 1911).
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:18 PM
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As long as I'm not required to own a 1911 with a rail they are fine for someone else.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:57 PM
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I'd own one for home use, but not for public use.
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Old 01-07-2020, 09:36 PM
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If you have a good amount of 1911’s already and you need a true working version of it, would it be better to substitute a Glock instead so you could have a rail or keep your 1911 with a rail. Come on cavemen, move on from the Stone Age and allow some accessories.
I'll keep my 20 year-old Jeep, thank you. No nav unit or body control unit to get hacked into and no "black box" to snitch on me. I don't need a backup camera or lane-departure warning systems either..... my Mark I eyeballs work just fine. All this modern crap that's supposed to be better ain't necessarily so. I see the point of weapon lights if you're a SWAT entry team member, but in the civilian world you're sweeping everything you look at with the muzzle of a loaded gun. I have a WML that I once put on a pistol, but I've since taken it off and the thing is in a box somewhere. I think they have a more practical use on a rifle where you need both hands on the weapon anyway.
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Old 01-07-2020, 11:02 PM
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I would only want one with a momentary-on switch, and in such use it could be a tactical advantage because while it would be indeed be detrimental to your night vision, it could be much worse for an intruder. However, in your own home, you get to set up lighting for your own convenience to ensure there is enough ambient light to identify a threat without needing a light on your gun which is going to make your gun relatively slower to bring on target than without it. I have several LED night lights with battery back-up in my living room for just than purpose, and fumbling for the switch to turn each of them off after being unplugged takes time, time that is on my side, not an intruder's.

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Old 01-08-2020, 07:12 AM
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I think a rail on a handgun with a light tells the bad guy exactly where you are, before you see him. We see this stuff on tv but in real life situations to me it could be a disadvantage. The ratchety noise of a 12 ga pump may work better.
Only if you use it at the wrong time...the light is fairly blinding besides.
Btw, my HD 12 ga has a WML also...
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:31 AM
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I like options. I love a clean 1911 that is well done, but I also like a 1911 that is just as useful and adaptable as a polymer gun.

Rails don't hurt and provide options. Looking forward to owning a Dan Wesson Specialist Commander 9mm one day...how many "rules" did I break with that desire?
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Old 01-08-2020, 12:40 PM
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If lights on a pistol were such a disadvantage then why are they pretty much on every LEO and Special Ops pistols? If they were so bad they would have faded away long ago. Its all in training and proper usage. They are not meant for walking your way down a trail. They are used for target ID and as an added bonus temporarily blind/disorient your suspect.
It's because most people who make departmental decisions are oft times not real shooters and like many on this forum watch way too many John Wick movies.

ALWAYS Keep The Gun Pointed In A Safe Direction. That does not include using a handgun as a flashlight.

What if your gun mounted light malfs in a Real World situation?
What if your gun (with mounted light) has a Class III malf?
Then your dual purpose tool just became singular.

The West was won with one handed shooting.

This works:

https://www.michaelharries.com/harri...ght-technique/
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Old 01-08-2020, 01:16 PM
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I don’t care for them. WML’s have their place.....but that place has become blown way out of proportion.

Much like night sights, the fact is they’ve morphed over the years into a ‘must have’, when in reality, they’re much more in the category of ‘prob not needed’.

But us gun gomers ( I’m one) keep grabbing into stuff for all manner of reasons, usually unfounded.

I have one dedicated HG, and one dedicated SG that have lights on them. They’re only purpose is HD.

WML’ as with night sites are all the rage because they’re tacticool, mostly on the range.

When I worked patrol, I didn’t use one, when I worked K-9, I felt the need.

In practically ALL defensive shootings, the distances involved, with the usually present ambient light are good enough.

Like I said however, if you’re what goes bump in the night in my house, I’ve no issues leading with my WML, because in my particular case, anyone showing up unannounced isn’t there to bring me cookies.

So, I don’t care for rails on my 1911’s, but for specific tasks, they have their place.
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Old 01-08-2020, 04:03 PM
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Agree....just kinda ruins the fine lines of a nice 1911
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Old 01-08-2020, 06:24 PM
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On a plastic gun fine but on a classic they just look unnatural. Anyone agree?
I guess you'll just have to tell the Marine Corp that the Colt M45A1 is fugly
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Old 01-08-2020, 06:26 PM
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Old 01-08-2020, 06:36 PM
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Never had a rail gun, never will!
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Old 01-08-2020, 06:43 PM
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Can't stand rails in general, especially not on a 1911.
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Old 01-08-2020, 06:44 PM
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I have several with rails. Tney are tools. Useful tools. Made more useful TO ME with rails. One being a 460 Rowland that I added a lower rail for a light and a top rail for optics since it is 100% hunting gun. And frankly if you don't like it... so What? Everyone has a right to their own opinion and own choices right?
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Old 01-08-2020, 06:51 PM
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I have several with rails. Tney are tools. Useful tools. Made more useful TO ME with rails. One being a 460 Rowland that I added a lower rail for a light and a top rail for optics since it is 100% hunting gun. And frankly if you don't like it... so What? Everyone has a right to their own opinion and own choices right?
Exactly right....to each their own. Choices are good. Gotta go with what floats your boat.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:40 PM
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Rails remind me of Rodney Dangerfield’s putter in Caddyshack!
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