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Old 01-02-2020, 09:20 PM
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Got evacuated from a cinema center. Observations

The wife wanted to see the new Star Wars this New Years Day. I'm always a little nervous about large crowds on holidays but went anyway. After the trailers and about 15 min into the movie the movie stopped and the klaxons and strobe emergency lights went off. A nervous little gal on the speaker said there was an emergency situation and to evacuate immediately. Of course my thoughts were of a shooter. I didn't hear any gunfire but grabbed the wife and made haste. Amazingly people were walking past the side exits that went directly outside and headed back to the lobby. I convinced a few people that it might be best to get out side. We wandered back to the front parking lot and people were actually trying to get back in. Told the wife to get some cover and move back away from the doors. The little show gals came out running and yelling for people to get away from the building they all went to the back of the lot and regrouped and counted heads. They had rehearsed this before and did a pretty good job. The alarms were still sounding when the fire and police showed up. After about 20 min the alarm was silenced and we moved back in. It ended up being an overheated popcorn machine. In the end about 1000+ people exited pretty calmly in less time than it took for EMS to arrive. It made an interesting day. Truman
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Old 01-02-2020, 10:10 PM
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Emergency sirens, strobe lights, etc., always merit attention. But they also signify us to use all of our senses, experience, and training (including informal training). We should try, as best we can, to assess whatever the risk/threat might be ... and react with that assessment in mind; not necessarily "following the herd".

E.g., alarms can be set off as a purposeful means of sending people into a "killing area". False alarms can also create mob-type risks, especially if masses of people are rushing down a stairway.

I'm not suggesting to ignore emergency signals, not at all. Only to put all of your senses and wits on overdrive, and think for yourself.

A well-known example going the other way (in a sense) was World Trade Center occupants bring advised to "shelter in place" ... a lethally poor emergency directive.
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Old 01-03-2020, 06:41 AM
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Glad everyone was safe !

But but did they restart the film ?

Free drink refills ?
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Old 01-03-2020, 08:57 AM
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My wife and I live about 2 miles from THAT Aurora theater. We have gone a few times but i am always on the look out.
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Old 01-03-2020, 09:53 AM
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Yeah Iím more concerned about the congregating area than I am inside the theater Iím watching.
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:52 AM
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All of the theaters around here have big "No Guns Allowed" signs. I respect these signs by staying away. There's a drive in we go to if we want to see new movies.
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Old 01-03-2020, 12:05 PM
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I wonder if any non-patrons used this event to "re-enter" a movie they didn't pay for.

I don't think everyone retains their ticket stub.
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Old 01-03-2020, 06:29 PM
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If it's the new Star Wars film, it probably wouldn't matter much.

I heard of die hard Star Wars fans sneaking in to see the Fabulous Ms. Maisel in Multiplexes instead of sitting through that abomination of a movie.
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Old 01-03-2020, 07:38 PM
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Glad everyone was safe !

But but did they restart the film ?

Free drink refills ?
They decided to wait until the next showing. We and others took a refund. Yes refills were available.
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Old 01-03-2020, 07:44 PM
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All of the theaters around here have big "No Guns Allowed" signs. I respect these signs by staying away. There's a drive in we go to if we want to see new movies.
This theater is an AMC I have carried there Never seen a NO CCW sign any where. But have seen a detector in the large theater on grand opening showings. Didn't know if it was active or not. YMMV
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Old 01-03-2020, 10:51 PM
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If you will permit a bit of levity, this reminds me of a story my late father told me, that occurred in the 1930's. He and his brother had taken their dates to a movie. At some point, smoke began to seep into the theater. The audience began murmuring and looking around nervously. At this point, my uncle stood up and said in a loud voice, "Nothing to be alarmed about, folks, just a small trash fire. They'll have it under control in no time." As the crowd settled down, my uncle grabbed their coats and hustled my father and their dates up the aisle. When they reached the lobby, my father said to his brother, "What the hell was that all about?" to which my uncle replied, "You didn't want to get trampled by all those damned fools on the way out, did you ?" He was a piece of work, my uncle.
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Old 01-19-2020, 07:24 PM
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My wife and I were at the annual managers seminar of the large electric utility I worked for. The meeting was in the very large ballroom of a downtown hotel. We had finished dinner and our CEO was speaking when the fire alarms went off with flashing lights around the perimeter of the room.

Now this utility tirelessly promotes employee safety, with an active safety department and monthly safety meetings for all employees. When I worked there, the two easiest ways to get fired was to get caught stealing and to habitually violate safety rules. Nonetheless, when I told my wife that we were evacuating and we walked out, fewer than a dozen other people did so, and none of the others at our table. Either most just assumed (rightly, as it turned out) that it was a false alarm, or they didn't want to be seen walking out on our CEO.

We got out of the room and out of the hotel and went home. If there was a rush by a panicked crowd, I intended to be well ahead of it. Only the following week at work did I learn that several minutes after the alarm it was announced as a false one.

This was most disturbing to me, but nicely illustrates how large groups of people tend to act with the herd, waiting for authoritative instruction rather than acting for their own preservation.
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Old 01-19-2020, 11:18 PM
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Yes, security camera footage of earthquakes in Japan confirm this. Most people just do not react well, or even at all, when crap hits the fan.

The kids there are taught earthquake safety from a young age, in school. Regular practice drills on how to hide next to desks or other large furniture. By the time you graduate high school you have drilled many dozens of times.

Yet in office / store security cam videos when the overhead lights start swinging & stuff starts falling nobody moves. Most everyone just stands in place & looks around.

They know it's a quake but they appear baffled as to what action to take.

It's astonishing.
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Old 01-20-2020, 07:10 AM
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Attending a conference in Beverly Hills,Ca back in 2004, the entire floor ceiling and walls and chandeliers started moving violently. The speaker was from the Midwest who’s voice stopped and face went blank. He didnt know what it was for a moment and frankly neither did I since it was my first time in Ca. It took about 10 seconds for me to think earthquake, I didnt need an alarm or siren, I just left and got outside.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:41 AM
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Once every few years or so we get a noticeable shake here in San Diego. Usually centered somewhere in the central valley where populations, and building heights, are low.

Usually no big deal at all. The bigger danger is wildfires if you live in the sticks or on a canyon edge.

Regarding theaters: In the 1970's the movie EARTHQUAKE was released, with the special technology "SENSURROUND" or something like that. It was a low-vibration set of speakers that caused a vibrating/rumbling sensation during the film.

It was pretty cool. But I did see some people get up & exit the theater.

The joke at the time was that there was a Double Feature showing EARTHQUAKE and Towering Inferno called Shake & Bake
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:23 PM
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Back when I was in high-school and they were first introducing ALICE training we were told to do the same thing we would in a real situation to get us to prepare for real action. My friend and I in the same class at the start signal grabbed the cabinet and teachers desk and threw them at the door then proceeded to climb out the 2nd story window onto a small gutter/shelf thing then to the ground and sprinted to our cars. Took us about 40 seconds.


Freaked the hell out of the teacher and the others who were just cowering and hiding that two people literally climbed out the window and jumped.
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Old 01-20-2020, 08:17 PM
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Good on you guys!
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:47 PM
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Good intentions aside.

Sometimes reality and pragmatism need to be looked at also. I had just gotten off of a ship in Singapore. I was beat. Four months of running JP-5 from Singapore to the Persian gulf during desert storm. Aside from the grey hairs, I was exhausted.

So I am resting in my hotel room, as I have a night over before my flight leaves out the next day. I am really content to just sit and vegetate in a comfortable chair in my room decompressing. After a few minutes I notice this faint sound coming from nowhere in particular. I ignore it but it will not go away and starts to get louder. So I rouse myself and make out that the voice that is emanating from an overhead speaker is telling me that there is a fire in the building, and all need to evacuate.

I can not believe it but figure that I better believe it. So I go out into the passageway, everything is quiet, no smoke, no nothing. I look at the elevator, but I know that you do not use the elevator in a fire. I am also painfully aware that I am on the 47th floor. Walking down is not something that I am all that anxious to do either. So I say wait a minute. I go back in my room and ring the front desk. I explain to them about the alarm. They tell me something on the order of "Oh sir there is nothing to worry about. Singapore law requires a fire drill to be held every day at 14:00 everybody just ignores it."

Typical Singapore, I expect that this will serve them well. At least until they actually do have a big fire that just happens to light up about say 14:00 on a given day. My guess is that they might want to reexamine this policy at that time. Hopefully not too many people will get fried.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:57 PM
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Here's some garbage that could very likely be happening at your kid's school, so ask them about it:

Periodic fire drills are policy and the teachers are often required to get the students outside in X amount of time. They are judged on their response times.

So at my kid's school the students and teachers would be alerted to a planned drill ahead of time!

Worse yet, the kids would be lined up near the doorway, then they would file outside when the buzzer sounds. The pointless absurdity of this blows my mind.

I asked my kid what would happen if the alarm sounded at an unscheduled time. She said everyone would go nuts, scrambling about to get their stuff.

I told the principal that NOBODY but him should know when a drill was going to occur. He said he'd "take that into consideration" Uh huh.
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:52 AM
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Yes, security camera footage of earthquakes in Japan confirm this. Most people just do not react well, or even at all, when crap hits the fan.

The kids there are taught earthquake safety from a young age, in school. Regular practice drills on how to hide next to desks or other large furniture. By the time you graduate high school you have drilled many dozens of times.

Yet in office / store security cam videos when the overhead lights start swinging & stuff starts falling nobody moves. Most everyone just stands in place & looks around.

They know it's a quake but they appear baffled as to what action to take.

It's astonishing.
It is astonishing.

I grew up in Tucson, AZ during the height of the Cold War. Our location had several ICBM missile solos and had us on the top 10 list of places the Soviets would strike first.

One day I was in our carport hooking up a fluorescent light strip and just as I plugged it in...."KABOOOOOM". The biggest explosion I had ever heard in my life! My first thought was, crap what did I do? I could see neighbors mulling about in their yards, so I walked out of the carport to see what they were looking at. A huge, apocalyptic mushroom cloud was billowing up into the sky from a few miles away. My next thought was the Soviets just took out a silo. Im sure others were thinking the same. And you know what people did? They started walking towards it to see what it was??? It was the oddest thing. For some time after there were waves of warm and cool air, that must be a byproduct of a massive explosion.

Anyway, we found out later it was not the Soviets. Many years prior there was quite a mining effort in AZ and as they closed down mining operations, amazingly they left a lot of dynamite behind. In this case it was tons of it left to rot in an old building with a big door with a big lock. Some kids from my high school thought it would be cool to shoot the lock off to see what's inside, as the building was obviously abandoned and looked creepy and interesting. I saw it many times riding dirt bikes through the desert. All three of the kids were killed, and many many windows blown out.
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Old 01-21-2020, 09:40 AM
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concealed carry in a movie theater

There are no legal restrictions in the state of Florida for carrying a concealed weapon in a theater if the owner has a valid Concealed Weapon Permit....whether it is a concealed firearm, a long bladed knife, brass knuckles, etc.

I started carrying a concealed firearm since I got my first concealed weapon permit in late 1988..... The legislating body decides where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon, and also Federal laws.....even if a business/store has a sign that states "no firearms allowed," if it is properly concealed, it should not print, and they may never know. I have never been identified as carrying a concealed firearm, but if I had, and the store mgr. insisted I had to leave the store, I would.....and never shop there again. I have never seen a business or store in Florida with a sign that stated no firearms allowed.....FLA does not allow open carry anywhere in public unless hunting.....

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There are no legal restrictions in the state of Florida for carrying a concealed weapon in a theater if the owner has a valid Concealed Weapon Permit....whether it is a concealed firearm, a long bladed knife, brass knuckles, etc.

I started carrying a concealed firearm since I got my first concealed weapon permit in late 1988..... The legislating body decides where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon, and also Federal laws.....even if a business/store has a sign that states "no firearms allowed," if it is properly concealed, it should not print, and they may never know. I have never been identified as carrying a concealed firearm, but if I had, and the store mgr. insisted I had to leave the store, I would.....and never shop there again. I have never seen a business or store in Florida with a sign that stated no firearms allowed.....FLA does not allow open carry anywhere in public unless hunting.....
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:06 PM
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M-Peltier --------- How did they know the kids were shooting at the lock?
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Old 01-22-2020, 08:07 AM
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M-Peltier --------- How did they know the kids were shooting at the lock?
If memory serves, one of the three kids survived long enough to give some details, but succumbed to his injuries a few days later. They were actually shooting at it from some distance, and did recover the rifle(s) and other evidence.
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Ah. Okay.
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