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Old 11-23-2019, 11:16 PM
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I don't really like smaller calibers like 9mm in a 1911 pistol, but, I just won this brand new DW stainless steel 9mm Specialist Commander on Gunbroker. The trigger pull is amazing as is the slide to frame fit and silky smooth slide movement. It also came with night sights, light rail, match trigger and barrel, and a mag well, all for under $1,300. The trigger and slide to frame fit almost are comparable to my Night Hawk Custom. Color me impressed.

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Old 11-24-2019, 07:53 AM
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:19 AM
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I mostly paper punch now because of age and vision but used to regularly compete in many different target games. I've owned or shot friends guns from just about every maker including Sig ( 210.220, 226), DW, Colt, Springfield, Browning Highpower, HK, Beretta, and many others over the last 50 years and I have to say the CZ Shadow 2 is by far my favorite. Mine is as accurate as any 9mm gun I have shot and 100% reliable. It's also high capacity and ambi(I'm a lefty). To me it's the best all around 9mm made today.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:42 PM
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OP; Are there any non 1911 style 9mm , , ,
Yet everyone still is recommending a 1911.

Go with the CZ-75B. You can even get it in single-action only.
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Old 11-24-2019, 03:32 PM
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Yet everyone still is recommending a 1911.

Go with the CZ-75B. You can even get it in single-action only.
I'll say it again. A CZ Custom shop gun,....a TSO, a Czechmate...a Shadow2... or a Sig 210. Nothing is going to outshoot any of those.
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Old 11-24-2019, 06:55 PM
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I'll say it again. A CZ Custom shop gun,....a TSO, a Czechmate...a Shadow2... or a Sig 210. Nothing is going to outshoot any of those.
CZC AO1-LD just might.
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:58 PM
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Sig Sauer makes a 9mm in 1911 govt. All stainless, dehorned, ambi safety, adjustable rear sight. A 'friend' (some friend huh?) talked me out of the one I had, so I went in search of its replacement. They're available thru the Lipsey web site @ $856 dealer cost (there were 3 of 'em); I paid the dealer $910 + tacks. Now all I gotta do is fit another extended mainspring mag well, and I'll be right back in business. I find the Sig much more 'user friendly' than the Springer RO (like the one I gifted to my youngest son).
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:29 PM
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I'll say it again. A CZ Custom shop gun,....a TSO, a Czechmate...a Shadow2... or a Sig 210. Nothing is going to outshoot any of those.
I surely agree, I do have a couple of tweeked Sigs and TRPs that will keep things interesting. The CZ Accu-Shadow2 with DPP is my grail gun, any outside of the one hole at 25 yards is the fault of the shooter. The second target was with a full magazine 17 rounds. Rested, using Blazer 115gr range ammo.
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Old 01-24-2020, 03:15 PM
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You could consider the underrated Ruger SR9.
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:05 PM
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We'll all likely name the 9mm we shoot the best, so I have to give the nod to my CZ75 SP-01 Tactical. All metal, high round capacity and handles recoil like a rimfire IMHO.
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:42 PM
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For a 1911 in 9mm ... STI and Dan Wesson do it the best.
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:34 AM
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Jeez, the OP said he already has 1911's, and he wanted a NON 1911, yet most of you keeping suggesting some sort of 1911.
CZ or M&P 9.
Been a while since I shot a CZ, but I have a 5 inch M&P with Apex trigger and sear, a sweet shooter.
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:55 AM
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I have to go along with the CZ's for accuracy and as for price:

Phantom: Under $700
Shadow 2: Under $1400
Accu Shadow: Under $2100

They just recently brought back the Phantom which I think dollar for dollar is a great buy 18+1 and looks and feels almost like a Shadow. Shoots damn great too.
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:03 PM
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I saw the OP post a short report on his new PM9 over a month ago. Fishman - how's it running now? I have a PM9 with the slide milled for a red dot. Fabulous 1911 and after some work has a wonderful trigger and is very reliable. It languishes in the safe while my CZ TSO with a frame mounted Trijicon SRO gets shot several times a week. No contest which gun I like - the TSO is king of the hill at my house!
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:15 PM
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Jeez, the OP said he already has 1911's, and he wanted a NON 1911, yet most of you keeping suggesting some sort of 1911.
CZ or M&P 9.
Been a while since I shot a CZ, but I have a 5 inch M&P with Apex trigger and sear, a sweet shooter.
I also Have the M&P 2.0 in 5" with the Apex trigger. It is sweet shooter and I shoot it better than the Sig 320s and the Glocks, which a lot of it is due to the Apex trigger.
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:35 PM
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CZ Shadow is the way to go at that distance!

Full size steel IWI Jericho which is CZ75 based anyway.
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Old 01-25-2020, 02:50 PM
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I've been slapped down many a time for saying that I'm not a fan of 9mm, but having been forced to use one for 15 years on active duty, I attempted to find what was the best. I doubt my mind can be changed, the CZ-75 platform is hands down the best pistol for the cartridge. Their Shadow models are superb. Haven't shot one yet, but they claim that the new AccuShadow 2 is the best they make.
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:23 PM
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+1 on the Shadow 2. An amazing piece of work on every front.


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Old 01-25-2020, 08:20 PM
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If you want non 1911 9mm.... accurate out to 50 yds...look at CZ. Nothing else compares. My TSO smokes every high dollar WC, Brown, NHC or Baer that I own....and I own a pile of em.

CZ is the real deal.
Beat me to it. TSO was absolutely going to be my recommendation. If I wasn't saving up for a 2020 Staccato P, the TSO would be my range toy.
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:58 PM
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I saw the OP post a short report on his new PM9 over a month ago. Fishman - how's it running now? I have a PM9 with the slide milled for a red dot. Fabulous 1911 and after some work has a wonderful trigger and is very reliable. It languishes in the safe while my CZ TSO with a frame mounted Trijicon SRO gets shot several times a week. No contest which gun I like - the TSO is king of the hill at my house!
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Running great now! Have about 750 down the tube and it's flawless. Initially had a couple FTF. It doesn't like Magtech 124g. Been putting Remington 115 through it and it's perfect. No changes except some thin g10 grips. What did you do to the trigger on yours?
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Old 01-25-2020, 10:26 PM
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I bought a new, stainless steel Sig Sauer 1911 (full size, Series 80) in 9mm less than a couple of months ago. Adjustable sights / ambi-safety. Semi-dehorned. The only mod I chose to make was the replacement of the mainspring housing with an integral magwell. Cost? ~$950 w/ 'tacks' and another $95 for the magwell adder.
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Old 01-26-2020, 04:29 AM
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Accuracy with a 1911 9mm or STI 2011 9mm

Most 1911 9mm guns from various mfg's use the same barrel twist as the 1911 .45acp, which is a 1:16 rifling twist rate.... this barrel twist rate is OK for IDPA at distances out to 25 yards or so....but for superb accuracy in a 1911 9mm, I believe a faster twist rate is better.

For any 1911 9mm to be extremely accurate, the first thing needed is a very good barrel fit, where the slide stop properly supports the lower lugs of the barrel, the barrel is a very close tolerance if using a barrel bushing or if using a bull barrel, the barrel is properly centered in the slide so the hood extension is a good and close fit and long enough to lightly touch the slide at full lock up.....

I believe the optimal twist rate for accuracy with a 1911 9mm is a 1:24 twist, or even a 1:32 twist (with the right ammo!)

I recently ordered a KKM Precision 9mm 5" W/N ramped bull barrel with a 1:32 twist.....it will take 12 weeks to deliver, since this is not a commonly requested barrel. I hope to build a very accurate STI 2011 9mm with the KKM barrel.....and since I handload for all my firearms, I am sure I will find a very accurate reload using 115 grain JHP bullets.....
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Old 01-26-2020, 05:19 AM
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I'll say it again. A CZ Custom shop gun,....a TSO, a Czechmate...a Shadow2... or a Sig 210. Nothing is going to outshoot any of those.
CZC AO1-LD just might.
The A01-LD is a Custom Shop gun. That's what the "C" after CZ stands for.
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Old 01-26-2020, 06:29 PM
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I have a SIG Sauer p226 SAO. It is a gun that is really easy to love: it runs pretty much flawlessly no matter what it is fed. Easy to field strip and clean. And good accuracy right out of the box. Compared to polymer guns it is heavy and feels bulkier than a 1911. But it is one of those guns you know will work no matter what. Truth be told, I wasn't expecting to like my 226 as much as I do. The more I shoot it. The more I like it.
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Old 01-27-2020, 05:43 PM
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Not too long ago I picked up a SIG p226. Wasn't sure I was going to like it, but it has seriously grown on me. It runs with anything you feed it, has surprisingly good accuracy, and is a solid, reliable well-made platform. It is an easy gun to love.
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