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Old 01-09-2017, 09:34 PM
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Multiple anti gun laws introduced in WA state and more on the way

Seems it really can happen "here". With "here" being wherever the the smug people looking down on CA are located.

The WA State Attorney General is behind this.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...a-backup-plan/

http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaw...s/Z-0388.1.pdf

-bans sale of new "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines
-bans selling, transferring, open carrying, and "unsafe storage" of "assault weapons"
-requires you to prove you owned it before the ban

http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaw...s/Z-0356.2.pdf

licensing and annual fees for ownership of "Assault weapons"


soon to come:

enhanced background checks for "assault weapons", required training, annual renewal of your AW license, safe storage requirements
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:40 PM
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Whew, looks like Washington's in deep doo-doo here. For you guys over there, hope your legislature isn't too far gone in regards to gun control.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:24 AM
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I'm confused. How can there be a ban on "assault weapons" and enhanced background checks for "assault weapons."

Which is it?
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:29 AM
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We get a lot of legislation introduced every year. Anti-gun legislation historically doesn't do real well in our legislature. I-594 (background check) was an initiative, not legislation.

Bob Ferguson is trying to get his name on some legislation so he can get support from the AG crowd when he runs for governor. Nothing more than political grandstanding.

The word I get from my representatives is this legislation is going nowhere. DOA.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:33 AM
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The word I get from my representatives is this legislation is going nowhere. DOA.
Let's hope so, but don't get complacent at the same time.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:22 AM
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We get a lot of legislation introduced every year. Anti-gun legislation historically doesn't do real well in our legislature. I-594 (background check) was an initiative, not legislation.

Bob Ferguson is trying to get his name on some legislation so he can get support from the AG crowd when he runs for governor. Nothing more than political grandstanding.

The word I get from my representatives is this legislation is going nowhere. DOA.

...and like I-594, when your Legislators shoot this down it will be reintroduced as a Ballot Initiative to the voters. ...and like I-594 there is a very good chance it will pass.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:23 AM
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I'm so glad I escaped the Pacific NW before the really crazy stuff started happening.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:25 PM
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This sort of crazy stuff can happen anywhere now. Don't say it can't. WA's situation is just like the rest of the western states that have seen a huge influx of immigrants and CA liberals.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:52 PM
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:33 PM
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This sort of crazy stuff can happen anywhere now. Don't say it can't. WA's situation is just like the rest of the western states that have seen a huge influx of immigrants and CA liberals.
Yeah. A lot of people in the "good states" talk like their untouchable, but liberalism really does spread like a disease.

We desperately need to take back public schools; most of them brainwash youngsters with liberal garbage!
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:24 PM
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Let's hope so, but don't get complacent at the same time.
I've already contacted my legislators in my district.

This is a non starter for me and I don't even own an AR.
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:42 PM
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The Ferguson proposals are unlikely to make it out of the Republican-run Washington State Senate, and past gun safety measures have stalled even in the Democratic controlled House.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/polit...t-10845748.php

Of course it could show up on an initiative and the AG big bucks donors will support it with another 10 million dollars.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:42 PM
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The idea of having to pay the state an annual license just to keep something that is rightfully mine is what chafes my hide the most. This AG of ours is way out of his bounds to be pushing for a new law rather than concentrating on his job of enforcing existing ones. But then again WA state is full of out-of-control liberals who do as they please and say screw the law, all while trying to enact new ones of their own. I still remember former Seattle mayor Greg Nichols and the city council enacting ban on carrying firearms in city parks and property, in open defiance of our state pre-emption laws. It took a legal challenge and thousands of dollars in court costs just to strip that illegal ordinance from the books.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:44 PM
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Yeah. A lot of people in the "good states" talk like their untouchable, but liberalism really does spread like a disease.
This... once upon a time in a galaxy far, far, away even California used to be red. From 1952 - 1988 all red (except Kennedy in 64 and that was a true landslide nationally). The 80's were the begging of the end.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:56 PM
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I still remember former Seattle mayor Greg Nichols and the city council enacting ban on carrying firearms in city parks and property, in open defiance of our state pre-emption laws. It took a legal challenge and thousands of dollars in court costs just to strip that illegal ordinance from the books.
The city attorney warned the Mayor, during the press conference phase, that it wasn't constitutional, but they went ahead with it, anyway.

I think the strategy of having two bills, one completely outrageous and the other just damn ridiculous, is that those who are inclined to want to "do something about gun violence" will support the latter in the spirit of "compromise"(the latter being a gun control phrase meaning "half of whatever rights you have left").
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:23 PM
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Bob Ferguson is trying to get his name on some legislation so he can get support from the AG crowd when he runs for governor. Nothing more than political grandstanding.
Correct, that's the word I got about this quack is just grandstanding.

However, as mentioned before, don't for one minute sit back with your guard down.

I'll be contacting my state reps and others as well.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:59 PM
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The city attorney warned the Mayor, during the press conference phase, that it wasn't constitutional, but they went ahead with it, anyway.

I think the strategy of having two bills, one completely outrageous and the other just damn ridiculous, is that those who are inclined to want to "do something about gun violence" will support the latter in the spirit of "compromise"(the latter being a gun control phrase meaning "half of whatever rights you have left").
Classic door in the face technique: Hit someone with a request that's over the top, and then when your proposal gets rejected, you ask for whatever it is that you were actually planning in the hopes that it will appear more reasonable.

The reality, of course, is that to label any gun control bill as a compromise would be extremely questionable, as it would suggest that both parties must give something up. Instead, it's usually only the gun owners who lose anything. The worst the anti-gunners have to deal with is not getting everything they want right now, which is like saying a robber is compromising with you by only stealing $5000 instead of the $10,000 he demanded.
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Seems it really can happen "here". With "here" being wherever the the smug people looking down on CA are located.
I'm sensing some animosity here. Touchy subject I take it?
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:19 AM
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The issue is all of the "kinda hard left liberals" in California are getting to a point of "man this sucks here with all the stuff they are doing" and they move out of the state. And when they get to wherever they end up keep voting they same damn way they did in California. They are locusts. Eat, destroy, move.

Nevada is in the same place right at the cusp. The Cali-liberals that migrated to Vegas just barely passed the UBC and already are talking Magazine limits and other such BS.

I am getting ready to send pre-filled out Recall paperwork to all of the Red County democrats that happened to get elected, as notice not to try stupid SH%$ this session.
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:38 AM
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The fact is WA doesn't have a history of legislating gun control. We got a background check law a few years ago but it didn't come from our legislators. We have open carry and shall issue with no test. It really upsets the socialist elitists that live here. This really isn't a state that has passed a lot of gun control because there is a strong republican contingent in the eastern part of the state. Our legislature is very close to a 50/50 demo/rep split. CA legislature is 2 to 1 demo/rep. split.

WA is not CA. yet. If people from CA keep moving here with their socialist elitist attitudes it could change though.
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The fact is WA doesn't have a history of legislating gun control. We got a background check law a few years ago but it didn't come from our legislators. We have open carry and shall issue with no test. It really upsets the socialist elitists that live here. This really isn't a state that has passed a lot of gun control because there is a strong republican contingent in the eastern part of the state. Our legislature is very close to a 50/50 demo/rep split. CA legislature is 2 to 1 demo/rep. split.

WA is not CA. yet. If people from CA keep moving here with there socialist elitist attitudes it could change though.
know who the pro-2A leg folks are, start a dialog w/ them. its the only way. but be warned, once out-numbered its very hard to stop anti-2A. bring the logical common sense views to the table, demand scientific evidence (studies) before leg can push a bill for signing. make it clear, the will of the people demand meaningful laws, and we will not tolerate self-agenda views.
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The fact is WA doesn't have a history of legislating gun control. We got a background check law a few years ago but it didn't come from our legislators. We have open carry and shall issue with no test. It really upsets the socialist elitists that live here. This really isn't a state that has passed a lot of gun control because there is a strong republican contingent in the eastern part of the state. Our legislature is very close to a 50/50 demo/rep split. CA legislature is 2 to 1 demo/rep. split.

WA is not CA. yet. If people from CA keep moving here with there socialist elitist attitudes it could change though.
The minute you go over the mountain passes from western WA to the east side it's basically like being in west Idaho, with a strong pro-2A Republican base. Republicans also control the SW part of the state and penninsula as well. It used to be just the immediate Seattle-Tacoma-Everett area was Democrat, but they've infiltrated the northern counties towards Canada in recent years. Eastern King Country used to be solidly Republican, but there has been a huge influx of new housing communities in the Snoqualmie Valley and those new residents are overwhelmingly ex-big city Democrats, thus drowning out the influence of the lifelong residents there. I'm sure I could tell a similar tale of most of the western states nowadays.
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The minute you go over the mountain passes from western WA to the east side it's basically like being in west Idaho, with a strong pro-2A Republican base. Republicans also control the SW part of the state and penninsula as well. It used to be just the immediate Seattle-Tacoma-Everett area was Democrat, but they've infiltrated the northern counties towards Canada in recent years. Eastern King Country used to be solidly Republican, but there has been a huge influx of new housing communities in the Snoqualmie Valley and those new residents are overwhelmingly ex-big city Democrats, thus drowning out the influence of the lifelong residents there. I'm sure I could tell a similar tale of most of the western states nowadays.
Two of our biggest anti-gun supports here in the state, as you know, is Paul Allen and Bill Gates.

They have stated several times about how much they'd love to see us in Washington State, and all of America for that matter, disarmed for their safety. No problem for them...they have their heavily armed private security covering their butt 24X7.

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Just had my first customer race in over this looking to buy an AR and an AK.
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I'm sensing some animosity here. Touchy subject I take it?
Learn from our mistakes or be doomed to repeat them. The "It will never happen here" attitudes displayed by many WILL doom them.

CA wasn't always blue nor did the change happen overnight. We went down a 50 year road of not understanding the true nature of our enemy and dismissing their determination to get to our present situation.
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