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Opening post motives aside, if there are so many of "us" why are we in such terrible shape? I won't bet my life on this, but seem to recall that CT and KY have about the same statewide percentage of gunowners. What accounts for the dramatic difference in gun laws in each state, might there be applications useful to CA?

I will always qualify my CA statements by saying there are alot of solid gunowners in state. Why then do we have a Democratic Party legislative super-majority? Why are there no pro-gun statewide elected officials? Why does Governor Brown feel sufficiently safe to screw us? When given the opportunity to throw us a bone on the departing AG Harris's slot he instead appoints a virulently anti-gun replacement?

The question (poorly) raised in post #5 is legitimate and a longstanding topic on CA gun forums - the screwing over of CA gun owners by the big city chiefs who support gun control, so long as their folks get an exemption. The LA +10 magazine ban is an excellent example of this tactic.

We can take a swing at the ham handed post wordings or we can look at the issues raised and just maybe figure out how to address.
There is NO fixing CA. Despite the rah-rah cries on CalGuns and other forums, the time has come and gone when there was a possibility of doing so. The gerrymandering of Districts has assured a Dem lock on the State Legislature and a Super Majority that is unbreakable. A situation that would take the Dems themselves to vote to undo as there are no longer enough Repub votes in the Legislature to affect the change and that sure as crap isn't going to happen. The Repubs have become irrelevant to this State's political process and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

There are no pro-gun State Officials because we are simply outvoted by the anti-gun Dems and their slavery 2.0 welfare serfs. Much as it might pain CA conservatives to admit, the facts are that the demographics have shifted permanently against us here. A shift that WILL come to EVERY State where the urban populations growth is outpacing the rural.

With all that being said, there is a glimmer of hope at least as far as the 2A goes due solely to Trump's win and resultant ability to stack the SCOTUS in our favor. However even with that the vast majority of the Libtard crap here will remain solidly in place.
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Old 01-08-2017, 11:43 PM
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True, fine points often missed when we decide what we like or dislike. I think it is worthwhile to note the Bill of Rights was drafted to be applied against the federal government and not state governments; that there is a preamble to the BoR which reads in part:

"The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."

That the states met to clarify "further declaratory and restrictive clauses" meant to apply those against the federal government is clear. We of course have since had the 14th Amendment and with it a new type of citizen, that of a citizen of the United States, and the theory of incorporation. And for better or worse, McCulloch v Maryland in 1819 and other cases deciding in favor of federal supremacy.

I think Justice Thomas said it best, unfortunately, discussing SCOTUS's current attitude toward the 2nd Amendment and enforcing Heller's writ - “The Second Amendment -- we want to pretend doesn’t exist"
I like this.

I've been saying that 2A was there to restrict the federal gov't, not the states, for awhile now.

The 2nd circuit court has already given us their opinion on an AR ban.

http://blog.californiarighttocarry.o...A-v-Cuomo1.pdf

Now if the SC ever hears a case like this the outcome could easily be the same.

You could be a citizen of the United States or just a citizen of NY. Just depends on which individual right your're asking for. The right to marry your same sex partner or your right to own an AR.
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Old 01-09-2017, 06:37 AM
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CA hired Eric Holder for one reason.


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Actually CA did not hire Eric Holder, they hired Covington & Burling, a law firm in Washington, D.C., that specializes in representing states and companies against the federal government . Holder joined Covington & Burling in 2015.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/...ime=1483557564

As lawmakers returned to work Wednesday, the state Capitol was buzzing with news that two top California lawmakers — the Assembly speaker and the leader of the Senate — had retained Holder’s firm at $25,000 per month to prepare for clashes with the new Republican White House over everything from immigration enforcement to health care to offshore oil drilling.

“We’re bracing ourselves, more than anything,” Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon said in an interview Wednesday. “It seems as though the president-elect wants to undo a lot of what we consider to be very important.”



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Old 01-09-2017, 07:28 AM
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Point of fact, they hired Eric Holder, not Rahm Emanuel but you are correct it was Holder who did Operation Fast and Furious.
Thanks for the correction. I knew it was Holder but for some reason Rahm Emanuel came out.
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The biggest taxpayer waste is that CA already has a State AG whose job it is to file lawsuits over laws the State disagrees with, yet they are paying Holder $300K a year to keep on retainer. $300K is more then TWICE what the State AG is paid.
Yep, makes you wonder. With Kami Harris off to D.C., the addition of Eric Holder to the CA payroll is a clear and intentional slap in the face to law abiding gun owners. What if a republican legislature had hired a pro gun consultant at 3k taxpayer dollars a year? Imagine the liberal outrage.

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Actually CA did not hire Eric Holder, they hired Covington & Burling, a law firm in Washington, D.C., that specializes in representing states and companies against the federal government.
Let's be realistic; they hired that law firm because they wanted a big name liberal: Holder.

The entire leftist legislature kowtows to the Hollywood elite for cash, and immigrants for votes. If you want my opinion the whole damn state should be under federal investigation.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:41 AM
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I love it! The Democrats are shaking in their boots and Trump hasn't even been sworn in. You think maybe they're afraid they have been passing legislation that isn't on terra firma?

If Trump does nothing else, he causes people to consider.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:47 AM
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I love it! The Democrats are shaking in their boots and Trump hasn't even been sworn in. You think maybe they're afraid they have been passing legislation that isn't on terra firma?

If Trump does nothing else, he causes people to consider.
I'm still waiting on all these celebrities to make good on their promises to leave the country. That alone would make the next four years icing on the cake.

By the way, this isn't the first time the idiots have threatened us with that. I guess they never figured out that you can't threaten people with a good time.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:49 AM
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I love it! The Democrats are shaking in their boots and Trump hasn't even been sworn in. You think maybe they're afraid they have been passing legislation that isn't on terra firma?

If Trump does nothing else, he causes people to consider.
Dear Mr. President-Elect, Please ‘Pick a Fight’ with California on Behalf of the American People

Stack the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals with Constitutionalists—and give the residents of this Marxist-Progressive occupied territory a chance to enjoy some of the basic freedoms and natural rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, starting with the restoration of the 2nd Amendment.

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Old 01-09-2017, 09:38 AM
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There is NO fixing CA. Despite the rah-rah cries on CalGuns and other forums, the time has come and gone when there was a possibility of doing so.
agreed.. Ya'll Couldn't even get the few hundred thousand signatures for referendums to challenge. They will keep on squeezing till there is no mas...
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Old 01-09-2017, 10:14 AM
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Dear Mr. President-Elect, Please ‘Pick a Fight’ with California on Behalf of the American People

Stack the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals with Constitutionalists—and give the residents of this Marxist-Progressive occupied territory a chance to enjoy some of the basic freedoms and natural rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, starting with the restoration of the 2nd Amendment.

More in Article.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/...erican-people/
It's about time somebody whacked those nut jobs.
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Old 01-09-2017, 10:43 AM
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I am well aware of Holder's stand on guns and my comment had more to do with CA being broke yet still able to lay out a $300K retainer that duplicates the function of the AG the taxpayers are already paying the salary of. An AG that is every bit as anti-gun as Holder.
I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know about Holders politics.

The same thing just happened here at a local level. Our county commissioners hired a law firm to deal with a state land planning issue. The county already has legal resources in the prosecutors office. Prosecutor sued. State supreme court ruled against the county commissioners for doing that.

I used to see this kind of waste everyday where I worked. Agency had the resources but didn't want to use them. Instead they wanted to use consultants.

Someone in CA should bring a suit against those legislators.
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agreed.. Ya'll Couldn't even get the few hundred thousand signatures for referendums to challenge. They will keep on squeezing till there is no mas...

Agreed. I'm thinking about moving to Texas. I think I have a lot of Texas blood in me. I love BBQ and I do it pretty damn well myself. Mesquite wood and beef, not much better under the sun.
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Old 01-09-2017, 01:35 PM
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I know most have seen how roaches head for the cracks when the lights come on. That's the Liberals today....So FUNNY....LMAO
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. A shift that WILL come to EVERY State where the urban populations growth is outpacing the rural.
I can't think of any state where the rural growth is outpacing the urban growth.

Oklahoma had NO Blue counties in either 2008, 2012, or 2016.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:30 PM
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I can't think of any state where the rural growth is outpacing the urban growth.

Oklahoma had NO Blue counties in either 2008, 2012, or 2016.
WA has the same urban growth problem that CA does. Has since the 80's. We have a lot of blue counties.

We did not however institute a state AWB when the federal ban was finished in 2004 like CA. did.

The socialist/elitist here keep trying though, probably get to look at a bill this spring. I don't expect it will go anywhere. WA. has always been an open carry state and shall issue for a very long time.

It strikes me as an oddity that a state as blue as WA doesn't have nearly the amount of gun control CA does. Must be something in the water down there.
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Los Angeles + San Francisco = Screwed. California 's only hope may be the San Andreas fault. As much as I hate to say it.
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WA has the same urban growth problem that CA does. Has since the 80's. We have a lot of blue counties.

We did not however institute a state AWB when the federal ban was finished in 2004 like CA. did.

The socialist/elitist here keep trying though, probably get to look at a bill this spring. I don't expect it will go anywhere. WA. has always been an open carry state and shall issue for a very long time.

It strikes me as an oddity that a state as blue as WA doesn't have nearly the amount of gun control CA does. Must be something in the water down there.
WA is just getting started (as is OR, NV) on their anti-2A crap so give it time. It took 50+ years to get CA to it's present libtard condition from the formerly Red State we were.

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Old 01-09-2017, 05:57 PM
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Agreed. I'm thinking about moving to Texas. I think I have a lot of Texas blood in me. I love BBQ and I do it pretty damn well myself. Mesquite wood and beef, not much better under the sun.
I have lived in TX, my brother was born there and another brother along with my son live there now. We were considering TX at first for our CA exit but even though there is no State Tax in TX their Property Taxes are KILLER.

It is also interesting that as anti-2A as CA is, it is easier to find a place to shoot here then in TX. Guys on the TX gun board were saying they would gladly drive hours (and even stay overnight) when a guy posted about possibly opening up a range with a 1K yard line.

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I have lived in TX, my brother was born there and another brother along with my son live there now. We were considering TX at first for our CA exit but even though there is no State Tax in TX their Property Taxes are KILLER.

It is also interesting that as anti-2A as CA is, it is easier to find a place to shoot here then in TX. Guys on the TX gun board were saying they would gladly drive hours (and even stay overnight) when a guy posted about possibly opening up a range with a 1K yard line.
Most people look at the cost of living, not just property taxes.

TX ranks as #10 as most expensive. CA ranks #49. The only state with a higher cost of living is Hawaii. It's one of the reasons so many people are moving out of CA and moving to TX. It's pretty darn cheap to live in TX, all things considered. Especially when you take your CA pension with you.

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ving/index.stm
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Most people look at the cost of living, not just property taxes.

TX ranks as #10 as most expensive. CA ranks #49. The only state with a higher cost of living is Hawaii. It's one of the reasons so many people are moving out of CA and moving to TX. It's pretty darn cheap to live in TX, all things considered. Especially when you take your CA pension with you.

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ving/index.stm
Except property taxes can be a big chunk of the cost of living. As my brother found out when he bought a house in NJ instead of PA when his wife changed jobs. Identical properties we looked at, property tax in MT was $900 while TX was $4,500. Sorry but I'm not going to be paying $3,600 in state taxes on my retired pay no matter where I move to.

CA is a big place and not everywhere is San Diego expensive. Where I live in CA the cost of living is pretty low and a 1400sqft house on 1/2 acre will run you less then $200K. I paid $65,500 for mine back in the day and you can still get an older house for not much more then that. My property tax is $1,340 a year and I paid $312 in state tax. So basically tripling the taxes I pay (whether property or state) does indeed adversely affect my cost of living.

I have a Federal Pension not a CA State one and it is hardly making me rich at $22K a year. As a Fed Retiree the bulk of my retirement money comes from what I socked away in the TSP (401k).
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Except property taxes can be a big chunk of the cost of living. As my brother found out when he bought a house in NJ instead of PA when his wife changed jobs. Identical properties we looked at, property tax in MT was $900 while TX was $4,500. Sorry but I'm not going to be paying $3,600 in state taxes on my retired pay no matter where I move to.

CA is a big place and not everywhere is San Diego expensive. Where I live in CA the cost of living is pretty low and a 1400sqft house on 1/2 acre will run you less then $200K. I paid $65,500 for mine back in the day and you can still get an older house for not much more then that. My property tax is $1,340 a year and I paid $312 in state tax. So basically tripling the taxes I pay (whether property or state) does indeed adversely affect my cost of living.

I have a Federal Pension not a CA State one and it is hardly making me rich at $22K a year. As a Fed Retiree the bulk of my retirement money comes from what I socked away in the TSP (401k).
I know what you are talking about. The house we have cost me 150K in 95. Property taxes are about 1% of appraised value, about 3K a year. One has to look at your personal debt also. Wa has a very regressive tax structure but for someone retired with a state pension it's a whole different ball game. No state income tax, all sales tax. I get to choose what I pay my taxes on when I buy things.
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Now the libs in the state capital of Washington are trying to legislate the "assault" rifle to be registered and restrict mag sizes. A transfer of California type laws to here is now underway. The state west of the Cascades voted for Clinton. We on the east side are under assault for our freedom, right to carry and have no restrictions on the Second Amendment. God Help us. Spad
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I grew up in CA and live there for many, many years. I always owed guns, not many at that time, but still owned and shot them. As the years passed and the obvious serious shift to the Communist side of the ledger of freedom was in my face nearly all the time my wife and I sold our house and moved to Texas.

California, like a number of other States and cities, is in the grip of group think and public embarrassment of anyone who wants to be independent minded.

In my own extended family during family gatherings I am looked at as the odd ball person who owns and shoots guns and talks about enforcing 2A freedoms in States that are clearly abrogating its clear wording and intent.

Now, after all these years, my brother in law's son has grown up, become a lawyer, got a job as a DA and is required to carry a handgun due to the nature of the cases he has been involved in and the enemies he has made. Interesting enough, four or five of the radical lefties in the family now want to go to Front Sight and train with him. They say they are being "forced" to do so because they need to know about guns because he has one now.

Immediately after he told the family that he had to carry a gun, three of the households told him to NEVER bring that gun into their homes.

What a bunch of weak kneed and confused people.

They know I just laugh at them and it drives them crazy. They won't discuss politics or guns or any other issue with me. Too much logic for them.
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Except property taxes can be a big chunk of the cost of living. As my brother found out when he bought a house in NJ instead of PA when his wife changed jobs. Identical properties we looked at, property tax in MT was $900 while TX was $4,500. Sorry but I'm not going to be paying $3,600 in state taxes on my retired pay no matter where I move to.
Buy a place in the country, put something on it and go Ag exempt/homestead. Taxes = almost nothing.
FWIW I cut my tax bill by approximately 9k by moving out of Houston/Harris County...


I lived in Martinez, for a few years back in the 90's.. Housing was absurd then, cannot imagine whats its like now-a-days!!

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Buy a place in the country, put something on it and go Ag exempt/homestead. Taxes = almost nothing.
FWIW I cut my tax bill by approximately 9k by moving out of Houston/Harris County...


I lived in Martinez, for a few years back in the 90's.. Housing was absurd then, cannot imagine whats its like now-a-days!!
That $4500 wasn't in a big city but it was for a good sized, nice stick built house. It was in a small town called Graham (pop 9K) in a county with about 18K pop.

Even with Ag Exemption they still hit you pretty hard on the house (unless you bring in a crap modular) and the acre it sits on.
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