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Old 11-25-2016, 10:53 AM
kwo51 kwo51 is offline
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Maybe they should be teaching the difference between cover and concealment.
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Old 11-25-2016, 02:41 PM
cwo4uscgret cwo4uscgret is offline
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FEMA (what a joke of an agency) developed a training course that was mandatory for all of us at work to take. It was online; and the subject was how to respond to an active shooter situation; about running and hiding - creating a secure place to hide and wait for law enforcement to arrive. This was a mandatory course.

The one thing that was a hilarious joke about this course was the fact that all of us were armed uniformed officers of Customs and Border Protection!
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:53 PM
JimCullen JimCullen is offline
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The great American Philosopher Harry Callahan once said "A man has got to know his limitations."
If you have the training, experience and the weapons you will know when and how to fight. Most of the public , who have not been in a fight since kindergarten, and have been told their entire lives that "violence is never the answer" should run or hide.
The people on this Forum are not a representative sample of the larger population.
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Old 12-29-2016, 09:26 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is online now
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Using a gun for Self defense situations.....

One of the posts in this thread said there are three criteria that justify the use of lethal force.....otherwise you will end up in prison (according to the writings of Massod Ayoob)

I think it is very important for any person that has a concealed carry permit to understand the laws of their state when it comes to the use of "lethal force" and what meets the justification to allow lethal force in their state. This could be the difference of a "good shoot" versus incarceration and/or a civil lawsuit.

My home state of Florida uses state statutes to explain the laws. The main criteria for the justification of using lethal force in Florida, is a person must be in fear for their life or the lives of others....this criteria is good for virtually any weapon that is concealed or "on hand" to save your life.....

Know the criteria for the justification of using lethal force for your home state or any state with concealed carry reciprocity you may be visiting if you decide to carry a weapon....
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:04 AM
roaniecowpony roaniecowpony is offline
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Originally Posted by magazineman View Post
Fight is option #1 for me because I carry. If the situation allows me a shot, I'll take it.

Run: ---- Yes. If EVERYONE can run away, the active shooter situation becomes a lone standoff situation. That's good.

Hide: Yes, If your hide is absolutely secure. Or so damn crafty you're impossible to find.

But "everyone in an office w/ the door blocked" is just a Fish Barrel. Bust a window & get out. Bust through the drywall into the next room & get out. Run to the stairs.

& pull the fire alarm.
That may work out for you if it ever presents itself. Each situation is going to be different. I've been taking shoot simulator classes this past 6 months. Same sim used to teach LEOs, same scenarios, same instructor. One scenario is a convenience store robbery. You're a citizen CCW there with your 10 year old son and similar aged daughter. You are at the back of the store straight in from the door. Your kids are shopping for chips and stuff when you hear the perp yelling at the clerk for the cash. Of the handful of students I've seen go thru this, all have drawn their weapon and engaged the perp at the counter. All lost their child to the second perp with a shotgun that came in the other corner of the store earlier. The scenario is based on a true story where an off-duty LEO lost his daughter. It hits fathers pretty hard when they mess this up.

The simulator is about making good decisions. You learn fast to establish your priorities. I highly recommend it, if you have the opportunity.
Life's too short to shoot an ugly gun.
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:39 PM
sam1 sam1 is offline
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Originally Posted by AdamG247 View Post
I chose the latter. The former two options are not in my play book. But I will be armed and ready for this possibility. If I were caught unarmed, well, then running slowly might be my choice. But I would fight if I found a way to do it with any chance of success.

Old Guys with little to lose can be very dangerous if cornered.
I 2nd that and it won't take any time for us to make up our mind.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:45 AM
bmur66 bmur66 is online now
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I work in a knife factory. We would all our trucks to get our guns
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Old 01-28-2017, 04:54 AM
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Old Guys with little to lose can be very dangerous if cornered.

No truer words have never been spoken.
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Old 01-28-2017, 05:18 AM
sam1 sam1 is offline
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Originally Posted by Broker50 View Post
Too old to run, too fat to hide, & neither are in my nature.........I may have one fight left in me, though.
A lot of people are in your situation.It beats stop,drop , and roll.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:26 AM
TjB101 TjB101 is online now
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Originally Posted by magazineman View Post

Maybe I'd go Rambo, Or maybe curl up & suck my thumb. So, like everyone, I can only guess at what I would do. I recognize that truth.

Ditto... and very funny.
If at first your don't succeed, Reload
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:50 AM
Slow bullet guy Slow bullet guy is offline
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Originally Posted by AdamG247 View Post
DHS = Department of Homicidal Sheep
I thought it was Department of Homeless Security...
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