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View Poll Results: How do you carry?
Unchambered 312 6.42%
Chambered with hammer back and safety engaged 4,284 88.13%
Chambered with hammer down 265 5.45%
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Old 10-27-2007, 06:16 AM
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do we really need to use the half-cocked position? ...
No, never use the half cock position. If your thumb slips off the hammer you could have a discharge.
The half cock is a built in safety. If the sear nose breaks, the 1/2 cock position will catch the hammer from falling, preventing the gun from firing.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:41 AM
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I understand most carry the 1911 C&L, BUT Con 2 for me.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:33 PM
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Condition 1...the ONLY way it should be carried. Anything else is asking to be shot/stabbed/clubbed/punch in the face first.

Only in Hollywood is it "COOL" to rack the slide before you take action...or if you are an Israeli commando where its protocol...outside of that, being prepared should the SHTF, is paramount.

Besides C1 is the safest mode of carry...both for the gun, and the enduser needing it ready. In a confrontation, split seconds count...why give the BG an upper hand?
I whole heartedly agree. When you carry a weapon, CCW, then you carry it as if your in combat. Ready to use. On the battlefield, you don't carry your weapon with a loaded magazine but empty chamber. I was raised on the 1911, carried it in Beirut as a Hospital Corpsman, and in Israel as a common soldier. The 1911A1, is a system that is best left to those that are 100% sure of it's use, and how to clear jams, stovepipes and such. Otherwise, how about a fine Beretta M9?
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:35 PM
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I understand most carry the 1911 C&L, BUT Con 2 for me.
peace.
Yes officer, I understand that, it's just that my thumb slipped as I was lowering the hammer. Yes officer, I will pay for the damage to the crib across the street, and yes, I am glad no one was hurt.

1911A1, Carried either cocked and locked, or with magazine inserted, hammer down on empty chamber.
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Old 11-25-2007, 08:47 AM
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C1 C2?

Just to show what a moron I am, what is C1 C2 and C3.
By looking at the begining thread C1 is an empty chamber, yes?
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Old 11-25-2007, 12:04 PM
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As applied to the 1911...

Condition 1--Magazine inserted, round in chamber, hammer cocked and locked
Condition 2--magazine inserted, round in chamber, hammer down, safety off
Condition 3--magazine inserted, no round in chamber
Condition 4--no magazine inserted, no round in chamber

There is also a hypothetical Condition 0, that being you are ready to pull the trigger, a round in the chamber, magazine inserted, and safety off.

Also condition 3 and 4, can be utilized with the hammer "cocked" or with the hammer down, on an empty chamber. That's another debate in itself.
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Old 11-25-2007, 04:17 PM
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......if she had her way i would carry the gun and mag seperate and have to as you say load while presenting the weapon and i told her all thats going to do is get me killed in a gun fight.
Pretty funny. She may even suggest "Condition 17".......carry a box of ammo and an empty magazine in separate pockets. Then load the magazine prior to inserting into 1911. While the assailant waits, rack the slide and you're good to go......
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:20 PM
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Why would you want to carry it any other way?
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:03 PM
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Condition 1...the ONLY way it should be carried. Anything else is asking to be shot/stabbed/clubbed/punch in the face first.

Only in Hollywood is it "COOL" to rack the slide before you take action...or if you are an Israeli commando where its protocol...outside of that, being prepared should the SHTF, is paramount.

Besides C1 is the safest mode of carry...both for the gun, and the enduser needing it ready. In a confrontation, split seconds count...why give the BG an upper hand?
+1 If you need your gun NOW, you dont have time to chamber/cock it or any other BS

Cocked and locked, its not gonna just go off there a lot of safeties to be engaged/disengaged first
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:38 AM
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What is so difficult about lowering a hammer. I mean they are designed to be easily gripped with thumb and forefinger. Please explain why I am so spastic that I shouldn't continue this practice. Cocked, uncocked.

What about revolvers?
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:15 PM
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To add my $0.02 to the discussion, I am of the school of thought that teaches two things:

1) Carry one gun. Period. Don't have a different gun for each day of the week.

2) Carry it consistently. In the 1911 world, that means either always keep it without a round in the chamber, 8+1 un-cocked, or 8+1 cocked and on safe.

Bottom line reasoning: when the SHTF, you need to instinctively know exactly what to do to draw your weapon and hit the target.

This means don't take the milliseconds for your hands to recognize which pistol you have on you today, and then process with your brain whether or not it's a gun with a safety, double-action, etc.

And, if you've resolved to carry a 1911-style only, you should NEVER have to remember or recall whether or not you have it chambered, cocked, on safe, etc.

It should be automatic, with no thought process whatsoever every single time.

So choose whatever chambering/safety preferences suit you, and stick by it. Don't change your guns or carry preferences ever.



I personally carry my Springfield TRP configured as 8+1 cocked, locked, and ready to rock IWB w/no holster and an extra mag in my left pocket.
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:43 PM
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[QUOTE=jba3]What is so difficult about lowering a hammer. I mean they are designed to be easily gripped with thumb and forefinger. Please explain why I am so spastic that I shouldn't continue this practice. Cocked, uncocked.

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Why would you want to?
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:45 PM
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So choose whatever chambering/safety preferences suit you, and stick by it. Don't change your guns or carry preferences ever.
Ideally this is true. I usually carry my Walther PPK/s in daily travels. (for comfort and conceilability). If I'm going on a long trip, or towards the city, or hiking in the woods, I carry the Colt '70. they are two completely different safety systems and I see where you're coming from. but after carrying pretty much only these two for 8+ years, I'm confident in my ability to bring either into action as quickly as the other without having to think about it.
oh, and I carried the 1911 condition 2 for years until I was convinced condition 1 was the only way. it is the only way!
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Old 12-28-2007, 02:02 AM
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good point, i never tested it, mine if you get it past half way hold in a kinda half cocked postion, i think its a safety to prevent that, or mines just messed up
There are a lot of guys out there who know more about 1911 than me, but I know my gun. I have a Colt Officers Mark IV Series 80. There is a safety built into the gun. If you have a series 80, you can disassemble the slide and see how the safety works. Take the firing pin out, be careful not to lose the little spring. The firing pin will not strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled. If you drop the hammer, the weapon will not fire unless you are also pulling the trigger. If you are carrying chamber loaded and you drop your weapon and it lands on the muzzle, the firing pin will not strike the primer. Of course, all safeties can fail. If I am wrong, please one of you gurus tell me.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:35 PM
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There are a lot of guys out there who know more about 1911 than me, but I know my gun. I have a Colt Officers Mark IV Series 80. There is a safety built into the gun. If you have a series 80, you can disassemble the slide and see how the safety works. Take the firing pin out, be careful not to lose the little spring. The firing pin will not strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled. If you drop the hammer, the weapon will not fire unless you are also pulling the trigger. If you are carrying chamber loaded and you drop your weapon and it lands on the muzzle, the firing pin will not strike the primer. Of course, all safeties can fail. If I am wrong, please one of you gurus tell me.
Your quite right, I've used both series 70 and 80 1911's for my CCW, but, I prefer to believe, that in everyday use, just as in combat, Mr. Murphy is NEVER far behind. As to the spring in the Series 80, I have on hand 25 packs of refills from Brownells, as no matter how careful you are, you will at one time or another lose that spring.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:29 PM
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i hate glocks the only handguns i will carry are either 1911's or XD-45 ACP, i like the grip safety and actaully last night i just wore my 1911 around the house con1 and i am starting to get use to it, my wife is actaully more parnoid that i am, she is not a big pistol lover, she like rifles better, i have taken her out and taught her how to shoot my 45 but i think i need to get something smaller for her, i was thinking of a XD-40 subcompact, i think her dislike of handguns comes from hearing to many bad stories from her dad who was a handgun instructor for the marines, yet i am also a handgun instructor but she won't listen to me about them. oh well. yeah so i am now one of the masses that carries con1 L&C.
I got my wife the xd sub-compact 9mm. It's easy to fire for her. I'm not a big fan of polymer or 9mm (but even less so the 40, just my opinion), but the gun is light and it's an easy round to fire for her. The trigger is heavy enough (and with the grip safety) that I don't worry about accidental discharge. She loves shooting hers.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:35 PM
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There are a lot of guys out there who know more about 1911 than me, but I know my gun. I have a Colt Officers Mark IV Series 80. There is a safety built into the gun. If you have a series 80, you can disassemble the slide and see how the safety works. Take the firing pin out, be careful not to lose the little spring. The firing pin will not strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled. If you drop the hammer, the weapon will not fire unless you are also pulling the trigger. If you are carrying chamber loaded and you drop your weapon and it lands on the muzzle, the firing pin will not strike the primer. Of course, all safeties can fail. If I am wrong, please one of you gurus tell me.
I completely agree. My 1911 hammer has 2 safety notches...it clicks twice when cocking the hammer. If the hammer drops anywhere on or between these 2 clicks, it catches; I purposely tried this with an empty chamber just to see. Also, that's why the heavy spring and light titanium firing pins are used...so that an accidental drop won't have enough force to drive the pin to the primer.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:40 PM
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Old 01-05-2008, 03:01 AM
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What is so difficult about lowering a hammer. I mean they are designed to be easily gripped with thumb and forefinger. Please explain why I am so spastic that I shouldn't continue this practice. Cocked, uncocked.

What about revolvers?
For one thing dropping the hammer on an chambered round even slowly is a bad practice. This can very well lead to a negligent discharge. That is always something to avoid. Plus in my opinion it is easier to push the safety down with your thumb than it is to try and pull back the hammer to ready the weapon to fire.

A weapon needs to be ready to go on a moments notice. Unchambered it is useless. Uncocked and chambered is near useless. Survival is counted in seconds or less. Anything you can do to lower the amount of time it takes for you to respond to a situation the better your chances of survival are.
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Ever hunt with a pump or auto shotgun? It's cocked and locked!
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LOL, anyone ever hear of Mr. Murphy??? LOL, he's never around except in combat and competitions, or when you LEAST expect him.
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:41 AM
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I carry a 1911 cocked and locked in a IWB thumb break from Bianchi. The thumb break strap comes across between the hammer and fireing pin. If the hammer falls, no loud noise will ruin your day.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:37 PM
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Cocked and locked. Always.

And, to the gentleman who was asking about 1911s discharging when dropped, it's possible with a round in the chamber regardless of the hammer or safety position (being on safe won't prevent this), if the gun is dropped onto a hard surface from waist/chest height, and lands nose down. The exception, of course, is the series 80 models. The rest can do it. Precautions taken to lessen the chance of this happening are lighter firing pins and/or heavier firing pin springs. However, in most 1911's, there is nothing actually blocking the pin from hitting the primer, and inertia can overcome the firing pin spring under the right circumstances. Is this a problem? Not really, in my opinion, as, the gun has to be pretty much muzzle down on contact with the ground on that hard surface and, when this happens, the bullet usually just splashes itself into tiny fragments. I've seen it happen twice. It leaves a cute little 1911-nose shaped impression in the concrete.
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Old 01-27-2008, 06:29 PM
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I carry in condition 3 most of the time. When I go downtown or while traveling through a risky area, I go to condition 1. I know, it's not cool to rack the slide upon draw. But I do practice that process, and I don't care to constantly unload a chambered round.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:30 AM
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