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View Poll Results: How do you carry?
Unchambered 312 6.42%
Chambered with hammer back and safety engaged 4,284 88.13%
Chambered with hammer down 265 5.45%
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:39 PM
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It may be safe to actually HAVE the hammer down on the pistols with the firing pin block safety. However, getting the hammer lowered on a loaded chamber and cocking the hammer under stress are, IMHO, not safe gun handling.

Agreed, this is why I prefer Condition 1 over Condition 2. I used to carry a Browning Hi-Power many years ago and always carried in Condition 2. This is something I would not do now. The issues with Condition 2, as you pointed out, are the lowering of the hammer and then cocking it under stress.
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Old 08-11-2007, 07:00 PM
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Being a newcomer to the 1911 platform (Jan 07) I too was concerned about C1 carry. But thanks to great advice from many here on this site, it didn`t take long to overcome any and all concerns. Now it is simply C1. Every time all the time.
That's the only way to go. The pistol was designed to be carried that way.
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:02 PM
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Condition 2 safety

Condition 2 is probably safe. Not ready, but safe. Problem is, getting pistol into condition 2 cannot be done safely, as others have noted.

By DESIGN, dropping the hammer on a loaded chamber is supposed to
make the gun fire. Dropping the hammer to get the gun into condition 2
has to be done by some gerry rigged method, in hopes of defeating the
gun's design. Do you use your offhand index finger, the thumb and forefinger,
the thumb, a pencil ? There is no safe method with a 1911. You may get away with it a few times, but you are asking for trouble.


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Old 08-12-2007, 12:48 AM
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carrying it unchambered with the hammer back and safety on to see if my safety will ever fail or shift. I have a nice Galco holster and when i bought the gun it came with an extended safety.
Who cares if your thumb safety swipes off in the holster? Granted, it is not ideal. But, it doesn't hurt anything. It really doesn't matter even if your thumb safety comes off and for some reason you squeeze your grip safety. If you have a good holster, the trigger is always covered. I am not aware of any GALCO 1911 holster that doesn't keep the trigger covered until you pull the pistol from the holster.

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Old 08-13-2007, 08:13 AM
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well i finally convinced my wife to back off me about me carrying C1, she was Junior NRA so they pounded gun safety and all into her head and she had this whole freak thing about me even carrying laod (C3). she said cause one of the gun safety rules is "keep the weapon unloaded till you intend to use it" or some BS like that. i told her that the whole point of me having my CCW and carrying is so that i have it and can draw and engage in under 2 seconds. she final got my point and leaves me alone about it now so my 1911 stays C1 all the time, even in my night stand.
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:30 PM
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well i finally convinced my wife to back off me about me carrying C1, she was Junior NRA so they pounded gun safety and all into her head and she had this whole freak thing about me even carrying laod (C3). she said cause one of the gun safety rules is "keep the weapon unloaded till you intend to use it" or some BS like that. i told her that the whole point of me having my CCW and carrying is so that i have it and can draw and engage in under 2 seconds. she final got my point and leaves me alone about it now so my 1911 stays C1 all the time, even in my night stand.
Well you asked for that!! LOL...just what you get when you ask your wife how you should carry your own gun. The NRA statement is very strange (although I have seen that before, its somewhat contradictory to the whole philosophy) If its on your hip, isn't its intent to be used if needed? By her/NRA condensed theory, you would also have to load the mag on presentation...what would that be? Condition "***, I'm dead?" take care and glad she saw the light.


BTW, your wife needs to brush up on her safety rules, especially if she feels compelled to doll them out:

The 1st Law of Gun Safety - The Gun Is Always Loaded!

The 2nd Law of Gun Safety - Never Point A Gun At Something You're Not Prepared To Destroy!

The 3rd Law of Gun Safety - Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It!

The 4th Law of Gun Safety - Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target!


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Old 08-13-2007, 12:35 PM
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i never asked her how i should carry, she final stopped bitching at me for carrying CON1, and i told her to suck it up its my gun. its our ass thats on the line if i need it and can't fire intime cause i either have to rack the slide and fire our if she had her way i would carry the gun and mag seperate and have to as you say load while presenting the weapon and i told her all thats going to do is get me killed in a gun fight.
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:40 PM
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i never asked her how i should carry, she final stopped bitching at me for carrying CON1, and i told her to suck it up its my gun. its our ass thats on the line if i need it and can't fire intime cause i either have to rack the slide and fire our if she had her way i would carry the gun and mag seperate and have to as you say load while presenting the weapon and i told her all thats going to do is get me killed in a gun fight.
...excellent.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:18 AM
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no time for anthing but con1

If one has never been under instruction for defensive pistol work, it may be unclear. If one has never been under instruction for defensive pistol work, it may be imperative to see some video of an instructor/warrior in action. It would quickly become evident how much time is of the essence, and how there is absolutely no time for anything else but the necessary. Anything else is failure waiting to happen.

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as my uncle told a LEO at a trffc stop, and was asked
"is it loaded"
he replied "what the hell good is it to me if it isn't?"
"Have a nice night sir"


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Old 08-18-2007, 12:58 PM
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Cocked and locked in my http://ubgholsters.com Thats only way to carry. Now get rid of the .45 magsafe round. Get a good Brand HP or Corbon DPX . Then you will be ready.
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:23 PM
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Mine stays ready in Condition 1 whether in leather or on the nightstand. My wife may have had reservations when she first realized I was doing it, but never said anything. Wouldn't have been a point for discussion either way....
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:04 PM
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Good Discussion

Good discussion gents. I'm new to carrying but not to guns. I was not sure what the best carry condition is. But after reading about my Kimber Tactical Custom II and understanding its safety/firing sequence, this forum has convinced me CON1 is the only ready way to carry. Thanks a lot!
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:08 PM
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Good decision, and welcome to the forum.
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:20 AM
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Thanks

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Old 08-19-2007, 02:02 AM
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If I could lawfully carry a firearm for protection of life & limb it would be in Condition One.

Damned society of victims...
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:00 PM
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If I could lawfully carry a firearm for protection of life & limb it would be in Condition One.

Damned society of victims...
I feel your pain man. You could always move down here and make space up there for one of our liberal self-haters.
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:50 PM
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well i finally convinced my wife to back off me about me carrying C1, she was Junior NRA so they pounded gun safety and all into her head and she had this whole freak thing about me even carrying laod (C3). she said cause one of the gun safety rules is "keep the weapon unloaded till you intend to use it" or some BS like that.
The problem with the NRA weapon safety outlook is that it is designed for sporting use, not self defense use where you might need the gun in an instant and might not have both hands available or even the time to rack the slide.

If someone or someones jump you, you may need to draw the gun and fire it immediately as soon as the gun clears the holster and the muzzle is pointed at them. You may be caught n a hand to hand struggle and not have both hands available to rack the slide. You may be so close to them that if you try to extend the gun any distance to rack the slide they may grab it out of your hand.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:21 PM
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I just recently started carrying cocked and locked in Condition 1. I was orignally scared to do it with kids and just was afraid that during the ritual of loading/unloading it would go off (wife didn't want it condi 1 in the house). I was also afraid the safety would click off when I was carrying and it would go off.

So here's what I did.

1) I carried it with a loaded clip and an unloaded chamber for about 1 month with the safety on.

After a month of carrying with the safety clicking off a grand total of zero times, I took the next step.

2) I carried with a round in the condition 1 but never in the house for about two days...until someone told me that chambering and unchambering the same round multiple times can cause major damage. Plus, I figured that the chances of me yanking off a round when manipulating the slide and safety twice a day was better than if I carried condition 1.

I have been carrying condition one for about a month now. I come in from work, put it in my portable safe, lock it, and the key stays around my neck until bedtime. At bedtime, I put the key in the lock and sleep like a person with a Kimber Ultra CDP by his bedside!

Go condi 1....there really is no alternative.

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Old 08-19-2007, 09:04 PM
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I don't mean to be rude, but it's late and I'm tired so here goes. There are 13 people who replied to the poll that need to find something besides a 1911 to carry. The ONLY way I would ever carry a 1911 is cocked and locked. If I was uncomfortable or unabe to do so, then I would find another pistol to ccw. I don't care what the Israeli's do, and I don't care what Uncle Bob said about half cock.

BTW, I've been ccwing a 1911 style pistol of one sort or another for over twenty years now. Never ONCE had any issues that made me rethink my choice in pistols or in C&L carry. Good luck.
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well seeing as how i was one of your original 13 that "need to find a new CCW weapon" yet i know chock what i said and did up to in-experince with CCW and the 1911, since i made my initial post i have gone to L&C 24/7 on it and i even just upgraded to a 8rnd mag. some yeah it took a day or two to get use to it and now i am fine with a Con1 pistol, and i don't have the high speed low drag holster like 99% of the people on here, my poor ass can only afford a Uncle Mike IWB pouch style holster, why cause i have a 10 month old daughter that is going through clothes at the cyclic rate of a GAU-17. (bonus point to anyone who can ID that weapon system)

most people that don't carry con1 on a 1911 do not need to find a new CCW weapon they need to be educated and reasure that con1 is how the damn thing was ment to be carried.



please excuse the attitude its late and i am tired
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:35 AM
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A-10 gun ?

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cause i have a 10 month old daughter that is going through clothes at the cyclic rate of a GAU-17. (bonus point to anyone who can ID that weapon system)
Is that the 30mm gun that an A-10 is built around ?


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Old 08-20-2007, 07:14 AM
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Is that the 30mm gun that an A-10 is built around ?


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Old 08-20-2007, 07:40 AM
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I don't mean to be rude, but it's late and I'm tired so here goes. There are 13 people who replied to the poll that need to find something besides a 1911 to carry. The ONLY way I would ever carry a 1911 is cocked and locked. If I was uncomfortable or unabe to do so, then I would find another pistol to ccw. I don't care what the Israeli's do, and I don't care what Uncle Bob said about half cock.

BTW, I've been ccwing a 1911 style pistol of one sort or another for over twenty years now. Never ONCE had any issues that made me rethink my choice in pistols or in C&L carry. Good luck.
Dude, you gotta get off this bandwagon.

If someone wants to buy a 1911 and carry it with an empty chamber, the only person they are hurting is themselves. You telling them that they shouldn't carry a 1911 is eliteist and irresponsible. The gun can certainly be carried like that completely safely. Some may feel the chances of an AD or ND are greater than ever needing the gun to defend themselves, they then SHOULD NOT CARRY condition 1. You say that it is dangerous to carry an empty chamber because of the time involved with chambering a round. Someone else may say that there is a greater chance of an AD during drawing if one is chambered. The point is that everyone is right, when the choice is made based on their circumstances. Yes, training often changes the mind of the unchambered round folks, it changed my mind. I agree that for ME condition one is best....but I don't think for one minute that it is best for everyone.

If your local police officers were carrying a 1911 with an empty chamber, then you might have a valid reason to complain--they are charged with possibly stopping someone from killing you.....possibly.

I say carry your gun the way you want to carry it. It is your life. Unless you are carrying in an unsafe mode...like half cocked or hammer down on a loaded round, no one should be criticized for their choice of carry nor method.

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Old 08-20-2007, 10:39 PM
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Gau-17

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well seeing as how i was one of your original 13 that "need to find a new CCW weapon" yet i know chock what i said and did up to in-experince with CCW and the 1911, since i made my initial post i have gone to L&C 24/7 on it and i even just upgraded to a 8rnd mag. some yeah it took a day or two to get use to it and now i am fine with a Con1 pistol, and i don't have the high speed low drag holster like 99% of the people on here, my poor ass can only afford a Uncle Mike IWB pouch style holster, why cause i have a 10 month old daughter that is going through clothes at the cyclic rate of a GAU-17. (bonus point to anyone who can ID that weapon system)

most people that don't carry con1 on a 1911 do not need to find a new CCW weapon they need to be educated and reasure that con1 is how the damn thing was ment to be carried.



please excuse the attitude its late and i am tired



With the greatest tool at our fingertips, you'd think this would have come up sooner.

http://www.answers.com/topic/gau-17

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Old 08-21-2007, 06:49 AM
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DING DING DING, man took ya long enough
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