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Old 01-06-2017, 09:36 AM
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California VS The AR-15

Got shut down on the AR sub for this but why is Commiefornia so determined to ban the AR-15 once called the HOLLYWOOD gun because Armalite was home there. Shouldn't they be protecting their history instead of denouncing it? The AR is 100% American, but a state that hates America and seems to want to return to Mexico. They should think twice for what they wish for, overpopulation and persistant poverty.

I am not up on their new 2017 draconian laws that blatently defy the second ammendment. Maybe someone can let us know in a synopsis the new laws. When did polititions who, not one of, ever got their hands dirty working nor know anything about engineering and physics tell gun makers how to make their guns work. This is like what Washington does on their pollution standards on cars, and telling farmers to make their cows stop farting. Until these same idiots understand a law abiding educated and trained armed populous is safer than a group of unprotected sheep.

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Old 01-06-2017, 09:46 AM
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You can't fix stupid.

Recognize that progressives (I have quit calling them liberals, since classic liberals didn't have their malady) have a fatal mental disorder.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:55 AM
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They should think...
You've just identified the problem and in essence, answered your own question.
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:10 AM
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You might look at it this way.

An armed population is very difficult to control. Whereas an unarmed population is basically defenseless against an armed government. You will notice they make no mention of ridding the entire state of firearms, only the ones in private hands.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:11 PM
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That's it precisely...victims are dependent upon the government for safety and control. The larger the victim pool...well, there you go.


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An armed population is very difficult to control. Whereas an unarmed population is basically defenseless against an armed government. You will notice they make no mention of ridding the entire state of firearms, only the ones in private hands.
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:29 PM
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An armed population is very difficult to control. Whereas an unarmed population is basically defenseless against an armed government. You will notice they make no mention of ridding the entire state of firearms, only the ones in private hands.
Good point.

Socialists/progressives view 2A as a dangerous constitutional right. There are probably more of those in CA than any other state by a margin of at least 2 to 1. That's why if you live in CA you will never have the same RKBA as people in most other states until those living there come to their senses. When other states are passing constitutional carry, CA is going in the opposite direction by banning more firearms, magazines or something else. CA is going down the same path as Venezuela, getting very close to a total gun ban.

I'm a proponent of states rights however and feel that if people in CA want to run their state like a communist country with all types of restrictions then they should be able to do that. They just shouldn't be able to do it with federal tax dollars, which is what they're doing.

The great socialist/progressive experiment which is CA is about to collapse under it's own weight. The new congress and administration should hasten it along it's way.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdev.../#5f3516e25890

http://www.newsmax.com/Reagan/Califo.../08/id/570300/
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:26 AM
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I'm a proponent of states rights however and feel that if people in CA want to run their state like a communist country with all types of restrictions then they should be able to do that. They just shouldn't be able to do it with federal tax dollars, which is what they're doing.
I am a big proponent of state's rights also, however, the states, through the Constitution agreed to the Bill or Rights, and the Constitution in general. They signed off on it to become a state. Therefore, the 2A is not up to individual states as it is a NATURAL right protected by the Constitution. CA or any other state should not be able to illegally alter their citizen's natural rights protected by the 2A.
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Old 01-08-2017, 11:09 AM
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I am a big proponent of state's rights also, however, the states, through the Constitution agreed to the Bill or Rights, and the Constitution in general. They signed off on it to become a state. Therefore, the 2A is not up to individual states as it is a NATURAL right protected by the Constitution. CA or any other state should not be able to illegally alter their citizen's natural rights protected by the 2A.
So the states signed on to the BOR and all the laws of the federal Gov't. My state signed on in 1889. WA ratified it's own constitution and continues to make it's own laws as the 10th amendment allows it to do.

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So the people get to make some laws. The courts are there to decide how those laws should be interpreted and how they affect individuals.

Just saying you have a right to own an AR may not be enough. The court may have to decide if you have an individual right to do that or the state has a right to say you don't.

Personally, I feel that the ATF (federal agency) would like to add the AR to the title II weapons list. They can't do that unless congress changes the law. Even if they did the fed doesn't have the resources to enforce it. From an enforcement standpoint the next best thing is to let the states take care of it.

Does anyone honestly believe any federal court is going to take away a states right to regulate firearms. Not likely. This is the federal gov't we're talking about here. The very people that want to regulate everything that we come into contact with. The federal judiciary system is part of the federal gov't.

Right or wrong, one's rights come from the people and the courts now. Half of the states have some sort of referendum or initiative process.
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:17 AM
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I remember an article about how Commiefornia made such a drastic law they had to ammend it in a special session to allow Police departments and officers an exemption. I believe it was magazine size.

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Old 01-06-2017, 01:44 PM
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To progressive liberals guns are the perfect boogeyman for every problem CA has regarding its out-of-control crime rate. That's why the politicians there literally fall over each other in their haste to submit new gun control proposals. Would you expect anything different?
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:02 AM
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I remember an article about how Commiefornia made such a drastic law they had to ammend it in a special session to allow Police departments and officers an exemption. I believe it was magazine size.


So size does matter?


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Old 01-06-2017, 02:31 PM
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If they would all stay there, then that would be fine. But the problem is that the CA liberals are moving into NV, slowly remaking this state into one that they left. Case in point, the recent background check referendum that won by .8% of the vote, mostly coming from Clark County, the most populous county and where Las Vegas is.

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Old 01-23-2017, 12:39 AM
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If they would all stay there, then that would be fine. But the problem is that the CA liberals are moving into NV, slowly remaking this state into one that they left. Case in point, the recent background check referendum that won by .8% of the vote, mostly coming from Clark County, the most populous county and where Las Vegas is.

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I am SO GLAD a NEVADAN FINALLY realized that what happens in KALIFORNIA COMES TO LAS VEGAS!

I've seen a lot of posts where people from Nevada opine on how Nevada dealers won't sell accessories to persons from Kalifornia even though they are under ZERO legal obligation to even concern themselves with Kalifornia law. THESE are the sorts of MIND SETS that INVITE liberal "Kalifornia" politics into the State! Unless NEVADANS WAKE T F UP and stop voting for former Kalifornia LIBTARDS, they will VERY SOON be in the same boat as Kalifornia!

Keep voting LIBTARD Nevada and SOON all of Kalifornia's laws will be YOUR laws!

Nevada voted for Hillary Clinton in the National election....this should give EVERYONE who lives outside of Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe pause....because your most populous cities are going full bore LIB-TARD!

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Old 01-26-2017, 06:07 PM
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I am SO GLAD a NEVADAN FINALLY realized that what happens in KALIFORNIA COMES TO LAS VEGAS!

I've seen a lot of posts where people from Nevada opine on how Nevada dealers won't sell accessories to persons from Kalifornia even though they are under ZERO legal obligation to even concern themselves with Kalifornia law.
I generally agree with the criticism. I've seen the occasional "I won't sell a 30 rounder" because you're paying with a credit card and your DL says CA. However I would also point out that the San Francisco City Attorney recently went after an on line seller who mailed 100% legal "mag rebuild kits" into CA when it was legal to do so.

Were some CA residents perhaps taking advantage - perhaps. I have a 1918 BAR with WWI mags and an M1 Carbine with WWII mags. I guess they must have made them a whole lot better back then because the frequency with which AR mags had to be "repaired" was rather alarming ...

Still, the SF City Attorney put that out of state company through all sorts of aggravation, to include getting their mailing list and sending buyers "you may have broken the law" letters. So I get the concern, even if it's a 1 in a 100 shot of getting dinged I'd hate like heck to be that one.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:09 PM
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It really makes you wonder.

If these people in California will actually wake up at some point. Or will it be a case of "You have to get on the train." Before this actually happens.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:46 PM
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If these people in California will actually wake up at some point. Or will it be a case of "You have to get on the train." Before this actually happens.
"Wake up" and do what? exactly? Start shooting people??

Even it EVERY CA gun owner votes for something there are enough libtards to still carry the vote. Despite having more gun owners in this State then the entire populations of something like 20 other States, we are simply out numbered here by the even greater numbers of libtards and their slavery 2.0 welfare serfs.

Just like people in States such as your own VA are finding out is happening to them. VA went for Obama and Hillary and the large urban centers are steadily out voting the rural population. so it is only a matter of time before you might be getting told, "to get on the train" yourself.
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:18 PM
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If these people in California will actually wake up at some point. Or will it be a case of "You have to get on the train." Before this actually happens.
Well, you folks have McAuliffe and Kaine and an AG whose name I don't recall - not exactly pro-gun folks, but you're better off than us for sure. However imagine an entire state populated with the same folks you have in northern Virginia. There's a whole lot of NOVA running California, unfortunately.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:50 AM
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If these people in California will actually wake up at some point. Or will it be a case of "You have to get on the train." Before this actually happens.
If you look at the number of people in CA (about 10% of the US population) and the size of their economy, I don't think they will be getting on any train the feds are operating. Just a guess.

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In CA it is now for juvenile females to work as prostitutes, but not adults. It's also now illegal for cows to fart because it's contributing to global warming. Seriously! I vote to let CA secede from the USA and let all the illegals and liberals migrate there.
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Old 01-06-2017, 06:13 PM
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I know it's a pipe dream, but what would happen if the firearms industry stopping making their products available in California? No guns, no ammo, no accessories. No sales to law enforcement. On top of that, a nationwide movement of gun owners to boycott California businesses and tourist attractions. Boycott sports teams as well that play games there. Yes, I know this sounds really extreme, but what other way can gun owners in the rest of the county help California gun owners during these difficult times. My idea may not sound rational; however, loading up the truck and moving to a gun friendly state isn't really realistic either.
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Old 01-06-2017, 07:16 PM
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It sounds good to me.

But so far the only gun outfit that I know of that will not ship to California for LEOs is Barret. As far as spending money there, you will not see me doing it anytime soon. And there are a lot of things that I like over there. I even have a standing invitation to a nice place to stay in the best part of the State. Right between Big Sur and Monterey.
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In a state that just legalized marijuana and prostitution by minors, hired Rahm Emanuel (Operation Fast and Furious) to defend the status quo, you have to ask?
Influenced by depraved Hollywood hypocrites and illegal aliens, a once great state has become corrupt beyond belief. The inmates are running the asylum.
Forget about ARs, Californians will be lucky to own muskets in the near future. A sickening state of affairs.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:50 AM
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Californians will be lucky to own muskets in the near future. A sickening state of affairs.
Pretty much and since we're already only allowed 1lb of black powder....

Demographics.... just saying.
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Pretty much and since we're already only allowed 1lb of black powder....

Demographics.... just saying.
Black Powder Matters........
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In a state that just legalized marijuana and prostitution by minors, hired Rahm Emanuel (Operation Fast and Furious) to defend the status quo, you have to ask?
Influenced by depraved Hollywood hypocrites and illegal aliens, a once great state has become corrupt beyond belief. The inmates are running the asylum.
Forget about ARs, Californians will be lucky to own muskets in the near future. A sickening state of affairs.
Point of fact, they hired Eric Holder, not Rahm Emanuel but you are correct it was Holder who did Operation Fast and Furious.

The biggest taxpayer waste is that CA already has a State AG whose job it is to file lawsuits over laws the State disagrees with, yet they are paying Holder $300K a year to keep on retainer. $300K is more then TWICE what the State AG is paid.
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