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Old 10-14-2016, 09:04 AM
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In defense of dogs

....I would like to see some feedback ...on the defense of dogs.

the scenario...is a trespasser....having scaled a fence....has been intercepted..by the family dog..and when you see this...the trespasser is fighting with your dog...beating/kicking....using a weapon of some kind.

would you...how would you...come to the defense of your dog?
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Old 10-14-2016, 09:06 AM
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The family dog should be kept inside the house not left outside alone in the yard, especially at night.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:52 PM
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The family dog should be kept inside the house not left outside alone in the yard, especially at night.
^^^this

as a family member, ur cats and dogs are only outside when being supervised. I cannot see them in our yard at night so they are in the house> I am the guard dog in the house--armed and ready
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Old 01-03-2017, 02:02 PM
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^^^this

as a family member, ur cats and dogs are only outside when being supervised. I cannot see them in our yard at night so they are in the house> I am the guard dog in the house--armed and ready
Much depends on your environment and situation.... my dogs, by choice, generally stay outside at night. The yard contained with a 5', 3 rail fence with 2x4 wire field fencing, topped with electrified barbed wire. They're not going anywhere. There's a dog door in the kitchen door, they can come and go in the house as they please. They generally stay outside after we go to bed.

Anyone who's gotten over the fence has demonstrated hostile intent...
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Old 01-03-2017, 06:34 PM
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Funny how peoples preferred dogs vary so much.

I have to grin when Country describes how his dogs stay out at night by choice. Around where I live, my dog has snack written all over him. He thinks that he is tough. But if left out overnight, he will not be there in the morning.

With a name like Peanut though, you can guess that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I think that my wife would get rid of me before she would get rid of him. We have had to keep a close eye on him though of late. Some of the smaller kids in the neighborhood have been coming up missing.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:43 AM
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The family dog should be kept inside the house not left outside alone in the yard, especially at night.
What's the point of having a dog if he's not out there doing his job at night between you and the fence?
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:14 AM
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Lots of legal issues here and it varies from state to state.

First in most states you have to have a no trespassing sign on your property or verbally tell someone they are not allowed on your property before they are considered trespassing. Other wise you are legally in the wrong to sic your dog on them or attack them.

Second there is justified use of force be it a dog, gun fists or club, that goes for both sides and is a double edged sword. If a guy climes over the fence at midnight with a weapon you may be able to show intent. If he has no weapon he could claim he was just lost and looking for his house. Its not what you know but what you can prove in court.

Lets say you do have that.

Next lots of other factors. Was the guy coming over in the middle of the night, did he have a weapon. what was the reason ie he was fleeing from a kidnapper or from the cops. etc.

In short these general scinaros are what get people riled up and put out false or misleading information even with good intent. For instance what may be legal to shoot someone in TX may get you life in prison for murder in NY.

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Old 10-14-2016, 10:48 AM
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no brainer. dog = family. stranger in yard = threat. the assumption is that he's coming after me next. deadly force is justified.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:19 AM
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I actually have some family experience with this scenario. I lived with my aunt and uncle (gunsmith) during the summers. Summer of 1975 in the afternoon their Akida was in the backyard for his potty break, and some guy happened to scale the side yard fence to break into the shed. The dog surprised the guy and was able to get him on the ground. My uncle (was armed), cousin, and I restrained the guy, and my aunt called the police. The bad part of the situation is that my uncle and aunt were sued for the physical damage (100+ stitches) and medical bills by the intruder. The homeowners insurance settled, but it was still a financial burden on my aunt and uncle.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:29 AM
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If I catch you beating on my dog.

And it will not go well for you.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:34 AM
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I actually have some family experience with this scenario. I lived with my aunt and uncle (gunsmith) during the summers. Summer of 1975 in the afternoon their Akida was in the backyard for his potty break, and some guy happened to scale the side yard fence to break into the shed. The dog surprised the guy and was able to get him on the ground. My uncle (was armed), cousin, and I restrained the guy, and my aunt called the police. The bad part of the situation is that my uncle and aunt were sued for the physical damage (100+ stitches) and medical bills by the intruder. The homeowners insurance settled, but it was still a financial burden on my aunt and uncle.
That might happen in SoCal but don't bet on the same result in Texas. As far as I'm concerned - fresh meat for poochie. And if I see him hurting my dog in any way, he's a dead man. I'm old enough to not worry about doing time, i.e., the law has no hold on me if I decide to act.
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Old 10-14-2016, 12:26 PM
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That might happen in SoCal but don't bet on the same result in Texas. As far as I'm concerned - fresh meat for poochie. And if I see him hurting my dog in any way, he's a dead man. I'm old enough to not worry about doing time, i.e., the law has no hold on me if I decide to act.
It was in Sacramento, but yeah, if that guy was hurting my uncle's dog, he would've got shot. In this case, the dog had really tore up the guy and he was in a fetal position trying to protect himself when my uncle got to him.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:56 PM
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I actually have some family experience with this scenario. I lived with my aunt and uncle (gunsmith) during the summers. Summer of 1975 in the afternoon their Akida was in the backyard for his potty break, and some guy happened to scale the side yard fence to break into the shed. The dog surprised the guy and was able to get him on the ground. My uncle (was armed), cousin, and I restrained the guy, and my aunt called the police. The bad part of the situation is that my uncle and aunt were sued for the physical damage (100+ stitches) and medical bills by the intruder. The homeowners insurance settled, but it was still a financial burden on my aunt and uncle.
our country has been ruined by these "injury liars(lawyers). I cannot fathom how an innocent victim(home owner) is now held responsible for the acts of a criminal

IN the UK and other sane counties( tongue in cheek when I say sane), you are NOT allowed to profit from a criminal act. when do we go so wrong

shakespeare was right about thos e liars(lawyers) IMHO
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Old 01-21-2017, 09:29 AM
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I actually have some family experience with this scenario. I lived with my aunt and uncle (gunsmith) during the summers. Summer of 1975 in the afternoon their Akida was in the backyard for his potty break, and some guy happened to scale the side yard fence to break into the shed. The dog surprised the guy and was able to get him on the ground. My uncle (was armed), cousin, and I restrained the guy, and my aunt called the police. The bad part of the situation is that my uncle and aunt were sued for the physical damage (100+ stitches) and medical bills by the intruder. The homeowners insurance settled, but it was still a financial burden on my aunt and uncle.
A neighbor's dog chewed up a young lady who was trying to sell them something. Since he had "Beware of Dog" signs around the property the Sheriff said she had no case to due for damages.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:48 AM
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I'll shoot the S.O.B. probably more than once .
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Old 10-14-2016, 12:29 PM
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I was faced with a situationtoday that made me think about defending my pets. An ahole has his dog running loose. I was walking 3 x 65 lb and up Pit bulls(very mellow house dogs--not the fighting kind) this MF dog came up and bit my dogs as I tried to kick it and scare it. I was wondering what the cops woul d have done if I shot that viscous POS or stabbed it with a knife?

some say I would lose my gun permit and be haule d off to jail...others say not

the law views an attack of any kind --people or dogs) as a threat to your life and body--under some if not all circumstances.If opportunity,ability and intent are present who cares if it is person or a wild dog coming to do harm?

of course if you get a cop with a stick up his butt you may be off to the pokey-- I cannot risk that and I do NOT want to kill or maim a dog BUT my guys are prescious to me--they ARE my family
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Old 10-14-2016, 12:53 PM
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My backyard has a 6' privacy fence and is posted with "No Trespassing" signs.
My dogs are in the yard anytime day or night (it's their yard).
Whatever scumbag that climbs the fence runs the risk of having become a chew toy.
Scumbag tries to hurt my dogs in their domain runs the risk of becoming a target.
We've got a good Castle Doctrine here so I'm not worried about any legal issues.
Not to mention I've got a good lawyer on speed dial.

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Old 10-14-2016, 02:34 PM
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Mess with the dog, get fed to the hogs.
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Old 10-14-2016, 06:45 PM
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I would defend my dogs same as my family. We have ankle biters.....so if some sicko wanted to get their jollies hurting them....
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Old 10-14-2016, 06:57 PM
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Without a moments hesitation and with no reservations I'd drop two on the intruder. My current pal is only 16 pounds and has lost most his teeth, so the best he can do is call for me. Previously I breed and trained Dobermans so if someone wanted to climb my fence they were more then welcome. The only issue then, was who was going to clean up the mess the next morning
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:05 PM
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I had to reign my beast in.

Some of the smaller kids around the neighborhood were starting to go missing.
So we keep a closer eye on him now. Seven and a half pounds of sheer terror. He is even on the No fly list.
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:30 PM
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Some of the smaller kids around the neighborhood were starting to go missing.
So we keep a closer eye on him now. Seven and a half pounds of sheer terror. He is even on the No fly list.
My sister has a coupla' Yorkie's by her side/at her feet/ in her arms 24/7.

She also packs a .38 snubby.

Mess with the ankle biters and you'll get the lead biter.

In my casa, my Aussie Shepard is my first line of defense aka alarm.

Nothing and no one gets close to the house without her alerting me.

Her bark tells the perspective bad guy/guys to leave.

If they get in somehow it'd be like her locking the door.

"Now you's can't leave."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lijLYuw-o



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Old 10-14-2016, 09:44 PM
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"Now you's can't leave."

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Have mercy.
This sums it up perfectly
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Old 10-23-2016, 09:15 AM
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Some of the smaller kids around the neighborhood were starting to go missing.
So we keep a closer eye on him now. Seven and a half pounds of sheer terror. He is even on the No fly list.
The Horror!
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:33 PM
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Got one just like him USMM. She won't take crap from anyone and has probably saved me 1,000 rounds of ammo by scaring the hell out of anyone that approaches the house. God help ya' if you get into the yard!
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