Federal Primer Sizes - American Eagle and Federal Champion - 1911Forum
1911Forum
Advertise Here
Forum   Reviews   Rules   Legal   Site Supporters & Donations   Advertise


Go Back   1911Forum > >

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-17-2012, 05:58 PM
rfd rfd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NNJ
Age: 74
Posts: 802
Federal Primer Sizes - American Eagle and Federal Champion

is it large or small primer?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Oilypablo Oilypablo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: WA State (NOT in Seattle)
Posts: 922
LARGE. I should say, it's been LARGE primer for me in the last year.

The bright red box Federal American Eagle are LARGE primer.

The dark red box Federal Champion are SMALL primer

I checked - I have both - THANKS MUSC!!!
__________________
It's simple: If you don't like guns, don't buy one.

Last edited by Oilypablo; 03-17-2012 at 06:26 PM. Reason: I was exactly bass ackwards!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-17-2012, 06:17 PM
musc musc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: SC
Posts: 210
For me they are large primer. I buy them by the 1000s and never seen it with a small primer, ever. On the other hand the Federal Champion IS small primer. The Champions are the common ones they stock at Walmart. It is possible that are transitioning over, but I just bought the Eagles not too long ago.



Federal Champion on Left (small primer), Federal American Eagle on Right (large primer)


Last edited by musc; 03-19-2012 at 09:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 03-17-2012, 06:24 PM
rfd rfd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NNJ
Age: 74
Posts: 802
good scoop, musc - i just ordered out a 100 to check out. plus, i'll wanna reload the brass.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-17-2012, 06:31 PM
swoopjr swoopjr is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 76
Good info, thanks. I hesitated to buy Federal last week because I wasn't sure what it would come with.
__________________
Springfield PRO
Dan Wesson CCO
BEC 9mm CCO
DW Cbob 10mm,
Accu match 1911,Sig P238,cm9,lcr,lcp
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-22-2012, 11:26 PM
corvette4595 corvette4595 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 827
It makes reloading more of a pain now as I have to sort through all of my range brass. I toss the small primer shells...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-23-2012, 12:00 AM
jackl4 jackl4 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 100
Unfortunately, Federal is now making the American Eagle with small primers. Read the description on LuckyGunner's site. Federal has the nerve to call it a good thing.

http://www.luckygunner.com/45-acp-23...er-1000-rounds
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-23-2012, 07:54 PM
musc musc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: SC
Posts: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackl4 View Post
Unfortunately, Federal is now making the American Eagle with small primers. Read the description on LuckyGunner's site. Federal has the nerve to call it a good thing.

http://www.luckygunner.com/45-acp-23...er-1000-rounds
That sucks. I looked at the picture on Luckygunner and it looks like they are using the Champion small primer casing and boxing them as American Eagles.

Luckily I just got 2k rounds in today and they are all still large primer American Eagles.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-23-2012, 08:07 PM
I love1911's I love1911's is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas
Age: 47
Posts: 566
Darn it

Just got 500 rounds Tuesday and now I'm scared to look.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-23-2012, 08:18 PM
jackl4 jackl4 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 100
Lucky gunner was good enough to point out the difference (great place to buy ammo IMO). You can still buy the regular American Eagle so there shouldn't be any confusion/deception.

That said, I am really disappointed in Federal. The Champion product and American Eagle product were clearly different. Now, what is point to have both?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-23-2012, 08:47 PM
Oilypablo Oilypablo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: WA State (NOT in Seattle)
Posts: 922
Honestly guys, I don't care anymore. Just sort it while watching a ball game or drinking a beer. It's not that big of a deal to me.
__________________
It's simple: If you don't like guns, don't buy one.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-04-2012, 05:25 PM
egutzeit egutzeit is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 10
If anyone on this thread does NOT want the small primer brass I'll take it. Just let me know and we can work something out. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-06-2012, 11:46 AM
Spokes Spokes is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 95
Did not know about the small/big primers in federal 45s. Bought a couple of hundred. Shot them all at the range. Picked up my empties and threw them in my bucket with all my other once fired 45's. Now I read this crap and have to go through the bucket and start separating them.
Yup they were all small...
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-25-2012, 11:10 AM
TonyT TonyT is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 580
It appears that several manufacturers are switching to small pistol primers for at least part of their 45ACP offerings. From a manufacturers point of view it would simplify the need to inventory/manufacture two different primer sizes. I wonder if this trend will continue with other largre primer brass such as 10mm , 44 Special and 45 Colt.

Last edited by TonyT; 06-25-2012 at 11:12 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-02-2012, 04:04 PM
REINIER REINIER is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 286
I just got two boxes of the Federal Champion in the 100 round value boxes this morning and they are all large primers.
As I read above, they had or once had small primers. Maybe federal went back to the large primer because of customer input?
All I know is these are for sure the good old tried and true large primers the ACP has always had.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-19-2012, 11:31 PM
TomPolhaus TomPolhaus is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 19
I haven't bought a new box of .45 ammo lately, are they marking the boxes to say if the bullets are small or large primers?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-19-2012, 11:35 PM
bigdogdaddy bigdogdaddy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest
Posts: 3,759
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomPolhaus View Post
I haven't bought a new box of .45 ammo lately, are they marking the boxes to say if the bullets are small or large primers?
Nope
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-02-2012, 08:50 PM
crappiecop crappiecop is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 95
Are the Federal Champion small pistol primer the standard small pistol primer or some proprietary size to discourage reuse?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-11-2013, 03:12 AM
Nick A Nick A is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 12,389
Quote:
... to say if the bullets are small or large primers?
The bullets don't have primers.
The cases have primers.





Quote:
Are the Federal Champion small pistol primer the standard small pistol primer
or some proprietary size to discourage reuse?
Standard small pistol primer.





Small or large primer, the difference between American Eagle
and Champion is found in the bullet and the powder charge.
AE uses FMJ bullets. Champion uses copper plated lead bullets.
AE uses enough powder to achieve typical standard velocity.
Champion is short loaded for softer recoil and lower velocity.


Many manufacturers have several different ammo plants,
and often contract out to other ammo manufacturers.
Whether it gets large or small primer is a function of
the particular ammo plant producing it.
It is not a function of anything else, regardless
of what the conspiracy buffs make up.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-12-2013, 06:58 AM
BobD's Avatar
BobD BobD is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Vienna, VA
Posts: 175
Federal Primer Sizes

Quote:
Originally Posted by corvette4595 View Post
It makes reloading more of a pain now as I have to sort through all of my range brass. I toss the small primer shells...

I deprime them all and then take the time sorting to both separate by primer size AND look for case defects; you gotta do it anyway.....
__________________
NRA / VFW Life Member
"Bolt actions speak louder than words."

Sent from my PRC-25

Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02-14-2013, 08:43 PM
poul poul is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 241
Question in an old thread: Does the primer size effect the pistol function?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-14-2013, 09:36 PM
JamesIII JamesIII is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,039
Nah. They both go bang and make the action work. I have used both in all of my guns with no issues.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-14-2013, 10:59 PM
poul poul is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 241
Thanks.
Why do some 45 ammo manufacturers use small primers over large?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-14-2013, 11:16 PM
JamesIII JamesIII is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,039
It has been a recent trend. I think most of it has to do with attempting to go lead free "green" or whatever it's called.
It so far has only really been a pain to the reloading community.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-15-2013, 05:31 AM
wpage wpage is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Stouts Creek
Posts: 375
The epa at it again?
__________________
God so loved the world He gave His only Son...
...Believe in Him and have everlasting life.
John 3:16
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:21 AM.


NOTICE TO USERS OF THIS SITE: By continuing to use this site, you certify that you have read and agree to abide by the Legal Terms of Use. All information, data, text or other materials ("Content") posted to this site by any users are the sole responsibility of those users. 1911Forum does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of such Content.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2015 1911Forum.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved