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Old 10-15-2019, 09:50 AM
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Yes sir, but I was not classifying your WC as a rattletrap. Wilson, Nighthawk, Brown, Wesson......all better than an R1 for example (no disrespect intended at all).
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WWB has functioned in all of my pistols, but was not as clean and accurate as better brands or my reloads. I haven't purchased WWB or UMC in several years. I can't justify using inferior ammunition in a high end pistol.
None taken at all! I did get my WC loose as a colt via shooting it "too much" so your comment was valid at one point lol!

The best way to justify it is running the math for 45000 rounds at brass or TMJ prices then substituting half the rounds for steel case or really cheap reman. My extractor (that is 100% fine btw) is like 90? to get replaced and if it does break most brands will get you a new one installed for free. Not really a big deal considering how much is saved for 15 yard and in practice with cheap ammo.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:04 AM
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If my gun won't feed SAAMI spec'd WWB, I would probably let it go.
I'd rather have a low-end gun that'll reliably feed/eject any ammo off-the-shelf rather than a high-end picky one.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:44 AM
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I donít think many question the ability of WWB to feed and go bang. Itís just the horrible consistency that stinks. It doesnít print well at all. Sure makes the dirt berm useful though.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:28 PM
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I donít think many question the ability of WWB to feed and go bang. Itís just the horrible consistency that stinks. It doesnít print well at all. Sure makes the dirt berm useful though.
Kind of my point, while I can deal with the dirty I can't deal with the consistency. I don't shoot just to make noise and I'd don't want to wonder for every PD if it was me or the ammo.
Up until a fer year ago I never shot anything but reloads and premium ammo and I thought "dirty" was what you got by shooting low power cast bullets with the smoke and soot. But holy cow this cheap stuff leaves you gun filthy and full of unburnt powder, add to that most of it prints 4" @25yds out of a 1/2" gun, that's what I call brass on the hoof.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:17 PM
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If my gun won't feed SAAMI spec'd WWB, I would probably let it go.
I'd rather have a low-end gun that'll reliably feed/eject any ammo off-the-shelf rather than a high-end picky one.
I agree. Back to my original post, my RIA shot the 50 rounds of WWB without fail. But by the end of the session, you could tell my RIA was not very happy about being so filthy (that is - if my RIA had a voice and could speak out).

Give you an idea about how filthy and fouling WWB is lately? I had spent powder, soot, filth, etc... about 1" back all the way around from the muzzle! Even worse, was the whole chamber, barrel, etc... and everything else inside!

Today's WWB is definitely not the same stuff our grandpa's shot back in the day!
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Old 10-19-2019, 09:35 AM
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Hard to believe that there can be much worse, but the UMC Mega Pack actually causes gun failure. Some will argue this, but I have seen it far too many times to dismiss its garbage rating. Almost every time I see an entire cartridge laying on the ground with a struck primer itís a R-P variety. Also curious that there are ďlikeĒ projectiles 20 feet from the bench.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:34 AM
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I just buy Blazer 124gn from TargetSportsUSA never any problems
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Old 10-19-2019, 09:01 PM
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Another Nail...

GSSF match today had a 9mm WWB stuck bullet "squib."

My handloads were fine.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:17 AM
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I just buy Blazer 124gn from TargetSportsUSA never any problems
Yup, sure bet........carry on.....
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:22 AM
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GSSF match today had a 9mm WWB stuck bullet "squib."

My handloads were fine.
I think the only people that defend this stuff are the occasional shooters that really donít know any better. For that matter, they only look at price and have no idea why some of the ammo they bought has grayish cases made of aluminum!
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Old 10-20-2019, 02:34 PM
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Once upon a time, I had what I think to be the first Glock 19 in town.
I had ejection failures with it (along with failed night sights) so I sent it in.
Glock replaced the ejector and extractor but admonished me to not shoot that cheap foreign stuff, but to use the Winchester USA (WWB) that they tested guns with at the shop.
Times change.
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Old 10-20-2019, 04:13 PM
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I just buy Blazer 124gn from TargetSportsUSA never any problems
Here's my experience with Blazer, I found it shot well out of my Sig's but three cases into it I had four malfunctions, two squibs and two failures to feed because the plated jackets were munged up by the seating. But the one that scared me was this squib, even thought it didn't sound or feel right and I could see dust off the burm...
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:20 AM
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There had to be a ďjetĒ of hot gas leading that one out of the barrel. Thatís one way to clean a groove!
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Old 11-01-2019, 01:42 PM
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I shot the WWB 9mm for years with no problems until recently. I bought some of the 100 round value packs. About one round out of each box would get stuck in the chamber before the slide was fully in battery. It left the slide sticking out about a quarter of an inch. When I dislodged the round and put it next to another one from the same box I noticed that the cartridge case was cut too long and it was not taper crimped. See the picture below. You can see that the case is longer on the round on the right. Look at where the bullet goes into the case mouth on each cartridge. You can see where the left one is squeezed to a smaller diameter at the case mouth and on the bullet itself where it enters the case mouth. The one on the right had a slight flare to the case mouth. This caused the round to get stuck before it was fully forward in the chamber.

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Old 11-02-2019, 08:38 AM
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Look at the case cut on the one on the left. It looks crooked. Pure junk. Rifter was right, even their brass is crap now. I still donít understand how there is this huge push from the left to be ďgreenĒ and protect the environment, and yet nearly all manufacturing that they control is churning out crap that is disposable and the lifespan is cut in half. Iím glad I have a ton of good brass.
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Old 11-03-2019, 06:06 AM
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Look at the case cut on the one on the left. It looks crooked. Pure junk. Rifter was right, even their brass is crap now. I still donít understand how there is this huge push from the left to be ďgreenĒ and protect the environment, and yet nearly all manufacturing that they control is churning out crap that is disposable and the lifespan is cut in half. Iím glad I have a ton of good brass.



Well, that's OK, too. The smarter guys are buying the better components to load with like from Starline and Lapua, and Winchester's crap keeps driving people toward the better stuff, and helps keep the smaller outfits in business.
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Old 11-03-2019, 09:55 AM
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And.....an unfortunate result will be the demise of yet another iconic trademark.
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Old 11-03-2019, 02:45 PM
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And.....an unfortunate result will be the demise of yet another iconic trademark.

That's true, but its their own fault. When a company gets so big and self important that its reputation is the only thing keeping it afloat, it is long past time for it to go away and quit inflicting mediocrity on its customers. Of all the current major gun makers, the only one I can think of that remains lean, energetic, and innovative is Ruger. The rest of the old guard have gotten fat, lethargic, and keep churning out the same old stuff.
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Old 11-04-2019, 07:34 AM
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Nice analogy........the folks over at Remington all need to go to the fat farm too.
Gutter ball after gutter ball......
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:34 AM
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While we are on the subject of 9mm ammo failures, tell me what you think happened here. When the firing pin hit the round in the picture below there was no bang but I heard a hissing sound that continued for about 15 seconds and with it was a light gray smoke that came out of the gun while the hissing sounded. I waited about 30 seconds with the gun pointed downrange then I ejected the round and picked it up with pliers just in case it went bang. When I looked at it I saw that part of the primer was opened as you see in the picture. So what happened?? I have never had this kind of ammo failure before.

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Old 11-07-2019, 07:27 AM
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More lack of quality control. A bad sign. That is probably a CCI primer. I wonder why the headstamp isn’t torched. Hopefully this was a damaged primer during the manuf process and not a sign of crappy primers coming off the line.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:45 AM
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More lack of quality control. A bad sign. That is probably a CCI primer. I wonder why the headstamp isnít torched. Hopefully this was a damaged primer during the manuf process and not a sign of crappy primers coming off the line.

I'd be hard put to figure out just how many CCI primers I've used over the last 40+ years. Suffice to say its been a hell of a lot. I have never seen one do that before, but I have had rounds do what I call a "fizzle". Its hard to say exactly what happened but clearly there wasn't sufficient heat to fully ignite the powder charge. The pressure built up just enough to let the charge burn in a fizzle instead of a bang. It is also possible that the primer was damaged by the escaping gas.


If the primer was defective, considering the millions that are produced every week, this was a pretty rare event for CCI. As I said, I've used their primers exclusively for 40+ years, and I can count on one hand the number of actual primer failures I've had in all that time, and its the only brand I can say that about.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:56 AM
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Also weird that if gas was escaping around the primer that the entire thing would be black, including the breech face. It looks like a round with ďwetĒ powder and the case never sealed in the chamber. There may have never been anything wrong with the primer in the first place, except for a very coincidental strange appearance.
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Old 12-30-2019, 11:21 AM
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Hello OP here been really really busy ... havenít updated this thread in months now recently have some time off and enjoying these toys a lot more ....

I got the gun back sometimes in august and ran roughly two boxes of Umc with no issues .

Since last week I have put almost a little over 1000 rounds THRU this gun including maybe 500 of Winchester white box and no issues what so ever . I mean this is by far the best shooting experience I had with not a single hiccup with over 1000 rounds without cleaning . Slides racks smooth as glass and love it more than any other 1911s that I have including Wilsonís . I also very much like the finish of this gun stands out really nice


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Old 12-31-2019, 07:28 AM
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The holster wear??
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