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Old 05-10-2020, 09:04 PM
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Some range time today

I managed to get two hours today to take one of my Wilsons to the range today, and it was a perfect morning for range time. Wow, two Sundays in a row. One more week to retirement - NO MORE on call weekends! Anyway, I ran my first drill as a Wizard drill, 2 down and just passing. I ran it a second time and had two down going to the 10 yard COM 2-shot string; last shot was 2.61 so three down and not passing....

Next up was the Test - 10 shots in 10 seconds at 10 yards - perfect score in 8.41 seconds; ran it again and perfect score in 9.6 seconds.

Next was the Devil drill - start with less than 6 in the gun, requiring a slide-lock reload; 6 shots in 6 seconds at six yards. Zero down as far as all shots in the circle, but last shot was at 7.01 seconds. Obviously, the slide-lock reload was what cost me, so I practiced the "Barney mag" method (one in chamber with empty mag, and "Barney mag" for the reload and second shot). Did that for 12 iterations, then returned to the Devil drill. This time zero down with end result in 5.97 seconds, so I felt vindicated to a small degree. Shot a few more mags of Bill drill, total about 80 rounds.

Still some areas I'm rusty on that need practice and focus, but with more range time I'll get back to what I am capable of. Shot 80 rounds, came home with more brass - makes up for last time when I shot 160 rounds and only came home with 120 empty brass. Even with a mixed result range day, it sure beats the heck out of what I will soon retire FROM.
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Old 05-10-2020, 09:11 PM
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Sounds like a very good day even with the little bit of rust. I need to get to the range and I’m sure the rust will be very much present as I have been unable to go for far too long. My mental health needs it, too.

One week to weekday range times for you.

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Old 05-10-2020, 11:54 PM
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I've still not had a chance to shoot since all this started, it's looking like my first trip out will be with the X9s so I'll see how my skills are fall-off wise on something else before beginning to evaluate it
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Old 05-11-2020, 05:53 AM
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Congratulations on your upcoming retirement Rodger, it is a Lifestyle-Game-Changer, you are going to love it!...Nice shooting too, great mix of drills.

I just watched a vid of the 10/10/10 by Larry V...He shot it with a 9mm (no reload) from the ready. He also said, if one is shooting a 45 1911 he suggested that 8 shots from the draw would be roughly apples to apples. I found it interesting he said 8 shots and not 9 for 45acp (I suppose one could also use a 10R 45 mag too)...What were you shooting this test with - gun/caliber?

Also, what is the overall diameter of a B8 Bullseye target (I think this is what Ken called it)? Were you using a B8? I figured on just using the WC-steel-targer with (I think it was) 7" circle. May not be exactly a B8 but no body is paying me to do this ;-) and I'd rather not be bothered with paper target.

The ranges are closed here, I haven't been out since mid-February, really, really miss it, can't wait to get out again.

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Old 05-11-2020, 08:56 AM
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Sounds like a nice way to spend a couple hours!

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Old 05-11-2020, 09:35 AM
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Congratulations on your upcoming retirement Rodger, it is a Lifestyle-Game-Changer, you are going to love it!...Nice shooting too, great mix of drills.

I just watched a vid of the 10/10/10 by Larry V...He shot it with a 9mm (no reload) from the ready. He also said, if one is shooting a 45 1911 he suggested that 8 shots from the draw would be roughly apples to apples. I found it interesting he said 8 shots and not 9 for 45acp (I suppose one could also use a 10R 45 mag too)...What were you shooting this test with - gun/caliber?

Also, what is the overall diameter of a B8 Bullseye target (I think this is what Ken called it)? Were you using a B8? I figured on just using the WC-steel-targer with (I think it was) 7" circle. May not be exactly a B8 but no body is paying me to do this ;-) and I'd rather not be bothered with paper target.

The ranges are closed here, I haven't been out since mid-February, really, really miss it, can't wait to get out again.

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I was using an IDPA cardboard target with 8" COM A-zone. The B8 black 10 ring zone is 6" IIRC and I was within that for this drill (The Test). If you use 7+1 in .45, you adjust the passing score, but I don't remember what that count was; for 8+1 it is minimum score of 80 (8 10-point hits inside black and one can be outside the black); with 10 rounds (whether .45 or 9mm) it is 90 points minimum pass/fail. A late shot counts zero, a total miss counts zero, and outside the 7 ring counts zero. I was using my Hackathorn Special Commander in 9mm with the Thad Rybka Rhodesian holster for it. Most drills that call for "from the ready" I try to shoot from the draw to increase difficulty factor.
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Old 05-11-2020, 09:57 AM
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I was using an IDPA cardboard target with 8" COM A-zone. The B8 black 10 ring zone is 6" IIRC and I was within that for this drill (The Test). If you use 7+1 in .45, you adjust the passing score, but I don't remember what that count was; for 8+1 it is minimum score of 80 (8 10-point hits inside black and one can be outside the black); with 10 rounds (whether .45 or 9mm) it is 90 points minimum pass/fail. A late shot counts zero, a total miss counts zero, and outside the 7 ring counts zero. I was using my Hackathorn Special Commander in 9mm with the Thad Rybka Rhodesian holster for it. Most drills that call for "from the ready" I try to shoot from the draw to increase difficulty factor.
Sorry what size target is "official" for the Test? And is it from the holster or low ready?

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Old 05-11-2020, 11:03 AM
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The target, officially, is a NRA B-8 target at 10 yards. My notes show it as a draw from the holster drill. That is what I have in my Word document, but there are probably (like other drills) variations of it. Remember that folks that have little experience in drawing from a holster would be tested from the ready - you always have to be adaptable to the skill levels of the folks you are showing these drills to and asking them to execute. The most important part of doing drills, or any gun activities, is safety practices always being spot on.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:52 AM
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A day on the range sure beats a day spent cleaning gutters. I think that was from Confuse Us. You know, that Chinese guy nobody understands, but pretend to.
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Old 05-11-2020, 12:31 PM
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The target, officially, is a NRA B-8 target at 10 yards. My notes show it as a draw from the holster drill. That is what I have in my Word document, but there are probably (like other drills) variations of it. Remember that folks that have little experience in drawing from a holster would be tested from the ready - you always have to be adaptable to the skill levels of the folks you are showing these drills to and asking them to execute. The most important part of doing drills, or any gun activities, is safety practices always being spot on.
So a 6" target at 10 yards...that's a good drill indeed. Look forward to trying it when the ranges open back up in NJ.
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Old 05-11-2020, 01:21 PM
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The black on a B8 target is 5 1/2 inches. The next ring out is just about 8 inch. I had a class with Vickers 4 or 5 years ago. I was shooting my 1911 45acp along with one other older guy. Most of the others shot Glock in 9mm with a couple with 40s.

For the test I used a ten round mag shooting swc. The big clean cut holes really stood out with all the smaller round nose bullets. I did it in 8.? all hits inside the black. Didn't do well on his Humbler test.

His concept is that when you shoot the days drills, with a fresh cardboard and replacing targets as needed, at the end of the day you will have a tighter group on the cardboard when using the 5 1/2" target vs an 8" for example.
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^^^ He is right. Here is what it looks like:



For a crude duplication, if one does not have access to order a pack or two of these targets, take a roll of brand new target pasting tape ... oops may not have that either ... a roll of masking or duct tape when the outside diameter of the tape gets to around 5 1/2". That's the 9 and 10 ring. Take this roll of tape and a black sharpee, draw a circle on a piece of any paper, cardboard box, etc. Keep your shots inside that black circle.
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Thanks for that image Ricky. Yep, lots of ways to "skin a cat" and make an effective substitute target. One of the tricks my training counselor uses is to shoot a paper plate with a center dot on it, then after done overlay a thin paper replica of whatever target one was to measure against (in this case a B-8 target). This saves having to order a new pack of targets every time we have a class or qualification shoot for scores.
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^^^ He is right. Here is what it looks like:



For a crude duplication, if one does not have access to order a pack or two of these targets, take a roll of brand new target pasting tape ... oops may not have that either ... a roll of masking or duct tape when the outside diameter of the tape gets to around 5 1/2". That's the 9 and 10 ring. Take this roll of tape and a black sharpee, draw a circle on a piece of any paper, cardboard box, etc. Keep your shots inside that black circle.
You can use Microsoft Word and insert a circle on a blank page. You can make the circle any dimension you want as long as it fits in a 8.5"x11" piece of paper. Color the circle black and you got yourself a target for less than a penny.

I've created IDPA body and head targets, USPSA A zone targets, triangles, thin vertical or horizontal strips for various types of drills.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:20 PM
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Hay Roger - two days and a wake up for you! The new adventure begins.
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Old 05-12-2020, 06:34 PM
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Hay Roger - two days and a wake up for you! The new adventure begins.
ABSOLUTELY! I am more than ready! On a Wilson note, my retirement pistol should be ready in a few weeks hopefully! Maybe I can get the break-in rounds on it before the Bash....
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Just to make you really appreciate retirement to be, I got to spend 6 hours on video-chats
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Old 05-12-2020, 07:55 PM
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Just to make you really appreciate retirement to be, I got to spend 6 hours on video-chats

I got to spend that much time today on WebEx's. Got three more mornings with almost all morning WebEx's, the afternoons are unscheduled for critical client cases and last minute system documentation....busy last week, but at least it is the LAST week of such! This coming weekend looks to be forecast for all rain both days, so we'll see about some range time next week...DURING the week.
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