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Old 06-03-2011, 12:28 AM
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Ruger SR1911 Review: Part II, the modifications...PICS!

First of all, thank you all for looking at my original thread on this pistol. It has been very enjoyable to review it and hear your feedback. I hope it has helped you in some way and I look forward to doing other reviews in the future.

The modifications:

Mechanical:

- Corrected the guide rod to prevent it from hitting the barrel legs
- Corrected the mag catch to prevent it from hitting the mag follower
- Corrected the slide stop to prevent it from hitting rounds during feeding
- Corrected the frame feed ramp by widening, deepening and polishing
- Corrected the ejection port by lowering it to approx .410” from the bottom of the slide
- Corrected the ejector nose angle for consistent ejection
- Corrected the extractor for both tension and nose position
- Corrected the link slot in the frame for proper clearance
- Corrected the grip screw bushing that were protruding into the frame
- Corrected the breech face for smoother feeding
- Corrected the barrel throat and polished it
- Crowned the barrel
- Welded and re-cut the barrel hood for a tolerance of less than .001” to the breech face
- Cut the chamber to a depth of .905” for best accuracy and reliability
- Replaced the bushing with a match fit MGW stainless bushing (you need a wrench to remove it)
- I.D. of bushing is .58125” O.D. of barrel is .58075” Total tolerance is .0005"
- Cut the Marvel Disconnector slot cut in the slide for smoother function
- Replaced the Ti firing pin with a steel EGW part
- Replaced the 20lb recoil spring with an 18lb Wolf
- Replaced the mainspring with a 23lb Wolf
- Replaced the link with one correctly dimensioned for the barrel legs
- Blended rear of slide, ejector, extractor to match the frame
- Complete trigger job with short roll set at 4lbs 2oz
o Sear at .765” oal
o Hammer hooks at .018”
o Disconnector at 1.3015”
o Corrected trigger bow in frame
o Tightened MSH to frame
o Corrected sear spring
o Corrected hammer strut

There are a couple of additional things I thought about doing to this pistol that in my opinion would enhance it such as welding and re-cutting the frame rails to fit the slide, fitting a new Kart barrel, replacing the slide stop, hammer, sear, disconnector, fitting a new SS .220" radius grip safety and fitting a new SS stippled Aztec cut MSH. However, in keeping with the idea of the project, that is to keep it affordable to the regular person, I decided to forgo those things for now. The cosmetic stuff was just stuff I wanted to do personally.

Cosmetic work:

- Stippled rear of slide, ejector and extractor
- Stippled and Aztec pattern cut top of slide
- Stippled and Aztec pattern cut front strap of frame
- Removed all slide logos
- Removed Ruger Warning on frame dust cover
- Boarder cut top of frame
- Hand bevel and blend all edges of slide and frame
- Reblast frame, slide, bushing, plug and trigger

Fired 100 rounds of mixed loads and bullets with zero malfunctions as a final function test. Total round count to date before and after modifications is 325 with zero malfunctions.

As a final note, I have also come to the conclusion that the MSH is mim as are the sights from what I can tell. The MSH is VERY hard and all three parts have the same casting marks on them in various places as the other mim parts but I could be incorrect. Also, after checking with a different kind of cold blue I have determined that the MSH and grip safety appear to be carbon and not stainless as previously believed. One other note is that it appears that a .220" grip safety could be fit very nicely without having to weld anything onto the tangs of the frame.









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Old 06-03-2011, 01:23 AM
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Wow Joe. You are the man. I think you may have just earned my business. lol
Seriously, prob when I get my second one I will send you this one. How much are talking to pretty much do the same thing minus maybe a few of the cosmetics.

Nice work man.

And oh yeah.... about cutting and reworking the frame rails to fit the slide and the .0005 tol on the bushing... and I thought us machinist were anal. I'll keep my +/- .003 thou or more and call it a day. lol

Edit - I just checked out your website man and I am speechless.

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Old 06-03-2011, 03:52 AM
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Thanks for removing the "billboards" and warnings, they always hurt my eyes....

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Old 06-03-2011, 04:29 AM
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you "corrected" all that?! that gun must have been a POS!
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:12 AM
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Wow Joe. You are the man. I think you may have just earned my business. lol
Seriously, prob when I get my second one I will send you this one. How much are talking to pretty much do the same thing minus maybe a few of the cosmetics.

Nice work man.

And oh yeah.... about cutting and reworking the frame rails to fit the slide and the .0005 tol on the bushing... and I thought us machinist were anal. I'll keep my +/- .003 thou or more and call it a day. lol

Edit - I just checked out your website man and I am speechless.
Thank you sir, it would be a pleasure I'm sure. Give me a ring or e-mail any time to discuss the details of what you would like.

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you "corrected" all that?! that gun must have been a POS!
Actually, no, it was, in my opinion, a lot better than many other production and "semi-custom" 1911's I've seen. Many of the mechanical mods were very small adjustments to bring things up to my personal requirements. Check out the first part of the review that includes a technical description as well as a range report to see what I mean if you are interested. Overall, out of the box the Ruger is a solid pistol in my opinion.

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Old 06-03-2011, 07:47 AM
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Joe, what kind of accuracy are you getting now? You did a lot of work there to make it better. The only thing I do not care for is stipling on the front strap....checkering looks classier..imho.
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Old 06-03-2011, 08:27 AM
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Thank you sir, it would be a pleasure I'm sure. Give me a ring or e-mail any time to discuss the details of what you would like.



Actually, no, it was, in my opinion, a lot better than many other production and "semi-custom" 1911's I've seen. Many of the mechanical mods were very small adjustments to bring things up to my personal requirements. Check out the first part of the review that includes a technical description as well as a range report to see what I mean if you are interested. Overall, out of the box the Ruger is a solid pistol in my opinion.

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thank you for the reply. i meant no ill regard towards Ruger as i know they make some fine guns....it just threw me when you used the term "corrected".
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:10 AM
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you "corrected" all that?! that gun must have been a POS!
well compared to a custom gunsmiths custom works of art, sure. But its like taking a 5 star chef to lunch at a burger joint, there will be things he would like to change to make it better, but for me and almost everyone else those burgers would be delicious. Just like this Ruger, for most purposes its a great firearm, for a custom gunsmith of course he's going to change alot of little things, doesn't mean the gun is bad, just could be better and he knows how to add those extra spices
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:46 PM
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well compared to a custom gunsmiths custom works of art, sure. But its like taking a 5 star chef to lunch at a burger joint, there will be things he would like to change to make it better, but for me and almost everyone else those burgers would be delicious. Just like this Ruger, for most purposes its a great firearm, for a custom gunsmith of course he's going to change alot of little things, doesn't mean the gun is bad, just could be better and he knows how to add those extra spices
Exactly...industry "spec's" vs a gunsmiths "spec's' are two different animals.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:13 PM
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First of all, thank you all for looking at my original thread on this pistol. It has been very enjoyable to review it and hear your feedback. I hope it has helped you in some way and I look forward to doing other reviews in the future.

The modifications:

Mechanical:

- Corrected the guide rod to prevent it from hitting the barrel legs
- Corrected the mag catch to prevent it from hitting the mag follower
- Corrected the slide stop to prevent it from hitting rounds during feeding


- Corrected the ejector nose angle for consistent ejection
- Corrected the extractor for both tension and nose position

- Corrected the grip screw bushing that were protruding into the frame
- Corrected the breech face for smoother feeding




- Replaced the 20lb recoil spring with an 18lb Wolf

- Replaced the link with one correctly dimensioned for the barrel legs




Respectfully,
Thank you for the excellent report. I am not a gunsmith. However, I take it from your report that since the original testing revealed no malfunctions, that the majority of the things listed in your report are "adjustments" achieved through a few file strokes.

My SR1911 has fired 500 flawless rounds, and until I read your report, could discern no need for the services of a gunsmith. However, I have a few questions:

Doesn't your replacement of the titanium firing pin with steel make the gun less likely to pass a drop test (or more likely to fire if dropped on its muzzle)?

What was the weight of the mainspring you removed from the pistol? (You said you replaced with a 23 pound spring.)

Assuming just the work listed above were to be performed on my Ruger SR1911, what is the cost, not counting shipping, and how long would it take?

Thanks again for the excellent report! Very informative concerning what you found on your pistol. Good show!

Shawn McCarver

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Old 06-05-2011, 01:42 PM
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Joe,

Did you conclude the Ruger is a 4-5" gun out of the box? You noted windy conditions when you shot it stock.
Considering the wind, the heavy stock trigger pull and the guy behind it, no. I think out of the box it can do better as was illustrated by one of the 5 shot strings shot during the lulls. And that is about standard from my experience from most stock production guns.

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Thank you for the excellent report. I am not a gunsmith. However, I take it from your report that since the original testing revealed no malfunctions, that the majority of the things listed are "adjustments" achieved through a few file strokes rather than "corrections" requiring serious modifications. Thus, my question here relates to the items NOT underlined.

My SR1911 has fired 500 flawless rounds, and until I read your report, could discern no need for the services of a gunsmith. However, I have a few questions:

Doesn't your replacement of the titanium firing pin with steel make the gun less likely to pass a drop test (or more likely to fire if dropped on its muzzle)?

What was the weight of the mainspring you removed from the pistol? (You said you replaced with a 23 pound spring.)

Assuming all of the work NOT underlined above were to be performed on my Ruger SR1911, what is the cost, not counting shipping, and how long would it take?

Thanks again for the excellent report! Very informative concerning what you found on your pistol. Good show!

Shawn McCarver
Shawn,
Thank you for your questions.

To start, while many of the mods I did on here are not "major" (i.e. barrel replacement) most of them do require quite a bit more than a "few file strokes". Namely, they require the knowledge of how the gun should work verses how it currently works and not only what changes to make but how to make them and why they are made.

As for the firing pin, I personally am more concerned with the gun not going off when needed due to a light firing pin strike because of the Ti pin and super strong FPspring that was installed. I have never seen a gun go off when dropped. I have seen them NOT go off when the Ti pin assembly is in place and that could get a person killed in the wrong situation. Keep in mind that Ruger was very smart in using the Ti pin and long spring as they wanted to be able to get into the markets like CA that require insanely dramatic drop tests that do not, in my opinion, represent real life situations.

I believe the mainspring I removed was a 25lb...or at least that is what it weighed on my scale. It could however have been less...I replaced it to remove any doubt.

As for price, I'm sorry but I do not discuss such matters on public forums as a matter of professionalism. If you would like to e-mail me privately I would be glad to assist you if possible.

Thank you for your questions guys and for your time in reading what I have written. I still contend that the new Ruger SR1911 is a great pistol, especially for the money. The modified test gun sold in less than 24 hours and I wish it was not going as it is in my opinion a very solid gun. Perhaps I'll get another of my own someday.

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Old 06-05-2011, 01:56 PM
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Joe:

I forget who said it but didn't someone say there was no extra charge for ordinary. I find your original review and post modification review very comprehensive and revealing. As a consumer, I now know what I need to know as opposed to what the industry in it's current state chooses to reveal. Thanks for your efforts.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:04 PM
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Great Mods! I see your serial number is in the high 05900's. I picked up mine in Sept and its at 0068X. Found another guy that got one at the same place I did in the 500's.

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I am wondering what method you used to remove the Ruger "billboards"? I love Ruger, it is so classy without the stamp.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:19 PM
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First of all, thank you all for looking at my original thread on this pistol. It has been very enjoyable to review it and hear your feedback. I hope it has helped you in some way and I look forward to doing other reviews in the future.

The modifications:

Mechanical:

- Corrected the guide rod to prevent it from hitting the barrel legs
- Corrected the mag catch to prevent it from hitting the mag follower
- Corrected the slide stop to prevent it from hitting rounds during feeding
- Corrected the frame feed ramp by widening, deepening and polishing
- Corrected the ejection port by lowering it to approx .410” from the bottom of the slide
- Corrected the ejector nose angle for consistent ejection
- Corrected the extractor for both tension and nose position
- Corrected the link slot in the frame for proper clearance
- Corrected the grip screw bushing that were protruding into the frame
- Corrected the breech face for smoother feeding
- Corrected the barrel throat and polished it
- Crowned the barrel
- Welded and re-cut the barrel hood for a tolerance of less than .001” to the breech face
- Cut the chamber to a depth of .905” for best accuracy and reliability
- Replaced the bushing with a match fit MGW stainless bushing (you need a wrench to remove it)

- I.D. of bushing is .58125” O.D. of barrel is .58075” Total tolerance is .0005"
- Cut the Marvel Disconnector slot cut in the slide for smoother function
- Replaced the Ti firing pin with a steel EGW part
- Replaced the 20lb recoil spring with an 18lb Wolf
- Replaced the mainspring with a 23lb Wolf
- Replaced the link with one correctly dimensioned for the barrel legs
- Blended rear of slide, ejector, extractor to match the frame
- Complete trigger job with short roll set at 4lbs 2oz
o Sear at .765” oal
o Hammer hooks at .018”
o Disconnector at 1.3015”

o Corrected trigger bow in frame
o Tightened MSH to frame
o Corrected sear spring
o Corrected hammer strut


There are a couple of additional things I thought about doing to this pistol that in my opinion would enhance it such as welding and re-cutting the frame rails to fit the slide, fitting a new Kart barrel, replacing the slide stop, hammer, sear, disconnector, fitting a new SS .220" radius grip safety and fitting a new SS stippled Aztec cut MSH. However, in keeping with the idea of the project, that is to keep it affordable to the regular person, I decided to forgo those things for now. The cosmetic stuff was just stuff I wanted to do personally.

Cosmetic work:

- Stippled rear of slide, ejector and extractor
- Stippled and Aztec pattern cut top of slide
- Stippled and Aztec pattern cut front strap of frame
- Removed all slide logos
- Removed Ruger Warning on frame dust cover
- Boarder cut top of frame
- Hand bevel and blend all edges of slide and frame
- Reblast frame, slide, bushing, plug and trigger

Fired 100 rounds of mixed loads and bullets with zero malfunctions as a final function test. Total round count to date before and after modifications is 325 with zero malfunctions.

As a final note, I have also come to the conclusion that the MSH is mim as are the sights from what I can tell. The MSH is VERY hard and all three parts have the same casting marks on them in various places as the other mim parts but I could be incorrect. Also, after checking with a different kind of cold blue I have determined that the MSH and grip safety appear to be carbon and not stainless as previously believed. One other note is that it appears that a .220" grip safety could be fit very nicely without having to weld anything onto the tangs of the frame.

Respectfully,
Thank you for the excellent report. I am not a gunsmith. However, I take it from your report that since the original testing revealed no malfunctions, that the majority of the things listed are "adjustments" achieved through a few file strokes rather than "corrections" requiring serious modifications. Thus, my question here relates to the items NOT underlined.

My SR1911 has fired 500 flawless rounds, and until I read your report, could discern no need for the services of a gunsmith. However, I have a few questions:

Doesn't your replacement of the titanium firing pin with steel make the gun less likely to pass a drop test (or more likely to fire if dropped on its muzzle)?

What was the weight of the mainspring you removed from the pistol? (You said you replaced with a 23 pound spring.)

Assuming all of the work NOT underlined above were to be performed on my Ruger SR1911, what is the cost, not counting shipping, and how long would it take?

Thanks again for the excellent report! Very informative concerning what you found on your pistol. Good show!

Shawn McCarver
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:18 PM
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what was the point of crwoning your barrel? was it shooting poorly or did oyu feel burs?

I have NOT crowned mine but can shoot one holers at 25 yards easily and wonder i i should crown mine now?
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:19 PM
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I have NOT crowned mine but can shoot one holers at 25 yards easily and wonder i i should crown mine now?
WHY would you want to crown the barrel if it is shooting into one hole at 25 yards?
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:45 PM
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That is my qestion is why this guy had to crown his with the same barrel i have in my gun??
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That is my qestion is why this guy had to crown his with the same barrel i have in my gun??
The OP is a custom gunsmith. One of the many things they do is crown the barrel with a recessed crown/not stock angle. Usually after flush cutting the barrel. Part is aesthetics, part is for function. If yours isn't broken, don't "fix" it until it is. He's a pro after all.

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That is my qestion is why this guy had to crown his with the same barrel i have in my gun??
You must not know who Joe Chambers is? He builds some spectacular guns. Most recently he build a right and left handed matching set of guns that were in quite a few magazines. His attention to detail and work have earned him a reputation for making "obsessibly accurate, reliable and beautiful guns". His guns go to Camp Perry.. and win. His pistols shoot 10 shot groups at 50 yards between 1.100” and 1.500”,with the average of 1.350” in .45 ACP. The guns built in 9mm and .38 Super average just under 1.00” for 10 shots at 50 yards.

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You must not know who Joe Chambers is? He builds some spectacular guns. Most recently he build a right and left handed matching set of guns that were in quite a few magazines. His attention to detail and work have earned him a reputation for making "obsessibly accurate, reliable and beautiful guns". His guns go to Camp Perry.. and win. His pistols shoot 10 shot groups at 50 yards between 1.100” and 1.500”,with the average of 1.350” in .45 ACP. The guns built in 9mm and .38 Super average just under 1.00” for 10 shots at 50 yards.
When I was young I used to dream of owning a Wilson. I got one but now that I am older I dream of owning a Joe Chambers pistol.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:39 AM
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Sorry for my delay in responding guys. Just got back from the Nationals at Camp Perry.

To remove the Ruger marks I first sanded the sides of the slide with 220-600 paper and then sand blasted the entire gun.

As for crowning, I "finish crown" every barrel so that the lands and groves are broken evenly all the way around so that the bullet leaves the barrel flying as concentrically as possible to help improve accuracy. That being said, if your gun is shooting one hole at 25 yards, I would agree with Robert above me and leave it alone. ;-)

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Excellent work done on this handgun. How many man hours did it take to bring this pistol to your specs? Only curious, I'm pursuing custom gunsmithing myself...
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The front strap treatment and slide top treatment is very cool. How do you accomplish that work into the steel?
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