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Old 03-19-2020, 09:23 AM
Old Grey Hare Old Grey Hare is offline
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USGI Web Sling Drama

I've been trying to wrap my brain around the USGI sling, and I'm having trouble.

So far all I've managed to do is get it on the rifle, and then in trying to use it proceeded to really gouge the bottom of the stock about half a foot away from the front swivel.

This is a new CMP stock I spent 3 days of oiling and waiting on. Yeah I"m steamed. And I'm going to steam the gouges out but first..

I'm not clear on how this sling goes on, nor how do I get into it. I got the basics, but I can't make it work.

I've seen the videos, everyone has their own way of rigging this.

Unfortunately for me, USAF doesn't really teach rifle, at least not back in 1989, so I never learned the proper use of this sling like I would've in the USMC.

THe j-hook on mine faces into the rifle, the rear buckle faces away from the rifle. The loop goes above my bicep, but I can't just "pull to tighten". That canvas is grippy af. Then up front, I haven't found how to wind my arm into it *and* get it at the right length/tightness.

Does anyone have like.. I dunno. Scans or pictures of good quality on how the web sling works for loop? My arms aren't *that* long... or are they? Or is the sling not put together right?

I'd be posting this at the CMP forum, but for some reason despite having clicked the activate account link in the email I got when I joined, I"m still not able to post.

I want to use this sling properly, I plan to shoot matches with this one day. No bags, no tripods, just my arm and a sling.
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:22 AM
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I googled "garand web sling installation", and the first line of the first hit is:

1.Attach the J-hook to the lower sling swivel so the open end of the J-hook faces outboard, away from the rifle.

So, if the sling was properly assembled when you got it, flipping it over would be a start.
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:48 AM
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If you are going to use a "Hasty Sling", it needs to have a half turn.

I always put the front facing out so it does not ding the rifle.

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Old 03-19-2020, 11:04 AM
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Thanks, guys.

The first instructions I followed were the ones you found, from ammogarand (where I got the slings, clips, bandos, etc.)

The way their instructions put the sling contradict everyone else, because the loop buckle ends up facing into the rifle.

I can get into hasty sling no problem, it's the loop that's driving me loopy, and that's the one I need for 100+ yards. Hasty... I will learn it well, but it's real use is combat. Which I hope not to see. But with these times we live in... I better learn it

There's one vid I found last night, this guy has you dismantle the thing completely and reassemble it. I'll try that. Just because it was new in package doesn't mean it's correctly assembled. The gun itself is proof of that, everything was bone dry, the springs in the bolt were super dry, the gas plug was finger tight.. and this was a cmp rifle that had been supposedly cleaned and test fired.

Maybe half my issue is that canvas is so grippy it won't adjust quickly at the back and will improve as it wears in. Loose back then lets the gun get away from me while I'm trying to fiddle with the front.
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Old 03-20-2020, 12:23 PM
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I *think* I got it.

It's not so much the orientation of the buckles, it's all in how you make the loop.

Tried it both ways, the approved army method (what ammogarand has) and the other way.

Either way, be sure you put the cam buckle on so the flat faces the rifle. This is for two big reasons -- that thing WILL chew up your stock, and it'll do the same to the back of your hand. Put it so the flat faces the rifle.

The rear buckle should face away from the rifle, because if it doesn't, and you sling arms, it'll dig right into your shoulder.

The biggest thing was me not understanding how to make the loop itself. It sounds more complicated than it is. Point is when it comes time to put it up your arm you're gonna hve two loops -- a big one, where your arm goes, and a little one, above the buckle. THis will allow you to tighten the big loop by pulling up away from the buckle, and then let the weight of the rifle down, it'll pull the other side tight. THen wind your arm in. It should be tight, tight enough that you wonder if your fingers will go numb.

I found the best solution is to size the arm loop a bit loose, attach sling to rifle, then adjust the front so you can get into a hasty sling with zero adjustment. THat length, once you detach the sling from the back, will also work for the loop sling. At least for me. I"m still new to this obviously.

WIth that, I was able to establish a carry position and a loop position that:

1. Allows me to go from sling arms to hasty sling rather quickly (sling arms is muzzle down, right?) with zero adjustments, and,

2. Allows me to keep the forward adjustment where it is, unhook the back, and get into a loop with only a minor amount of fiddling.

Can't wait to get this to the range and see if it works. Dryfire says it should.

These two positions, the distance from swivel to buckle or cam buckle is the same... if I stretch out my index and thumb hard, that's the distance.

If they really do work I'll mark 'em in sharpie. I haven't tried prone yet, I bet *that* one will change the length of the front bit.
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Old 03-20-2020, 12:54 PM
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Sling Arms is muzzle up, at least with the M16:

http://www.drillpad.net/DPrifles_Army.htm#s2

It was the same when I was in ROTC with an M14, so I expect the manual of arms with the Garand was the same.
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Old 03-20-2020, 12:58 PM
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This page should be helpful as well:

http://www.rollanet.org/~stacyw/Garand_Sling.htm
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Old 03-20-2020, 02:02 PM
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Unfortunately for me, USAF doesn't really teach rifle, at least not back in 1989, so I never learned the proper use of this sling like I would've in the USMC.
Nah, in USAF we always had someone to carry our gun for us, then load it and hand it to us.

I was in the Flying Club back in '89, too.
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Old 03-20-2020, 08:33 PM
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This page should be helpful as well:

http://www.rollanet.org/~stacyw/Garand_Sling.htm

That right there is the most helpful bit yet. Thank you for that! IT really is all about the loop.. and that picture shows exacctly how to form it. Quickly.

I am actually sore at the USAF for the travesty they called rifle training back in my day. 25 yards. No sling. I think if I fired 25 rounds it was a lot. It may have been less.

Meanwhile USMC basically marries you to the weapon. Yes, i know, different missions, USMC = every man a rifleman, but dang it, how can I be 50 and not know how to sling?

THat's like being 15 and not knowing how to swim or ride a bike!
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:24 PM
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Ray-Vin has a bunch of instructions for shooting equipment. Here is his page on web slings:
http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/webslinghelp.htm
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