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Old 11-25-2018, 11:15 AM
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Dillon Purchase Help

Guys I have been reloading for a few years now and would like to move up to a Dillon 650XL can you Dillon guys help me out with the purchase. From my standpoint here is what I think I need list below. I want to start off with 45acp and move to 9mm and much later I would do rifle calibers.

Dillon 650XL Machine
XL650 Case Feeder (w/lg & sm pistol case feeders)
XL650 Spare Parts kit
Dillon Powder Check
Dillon Strong Mount
Dillon Aluminu Bullet Tray
Dillon Roller Handle
Dillon Toolholder w/wrench set (? 1" wrench)
Dillon Low Powder Sensor
Dillon Carbide Pistol Dies

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Old 11-25-2018, 11:25 AM
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I can't comment on the 650 but having used the strong mount and the Inline Fab Ultramount and the QC mounts, there is NO comparison. I also like the roller handle better from Inline Fab.

With Inline Fab, you have a choice of mount heights, QC mounts and other accessories. Worth your time to look them over, before buying.
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Old 11-25-2018, 11:38 AM
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If you have a set of Allen wrenches already I would take that off the list. I would also suggest looking at Bobcat armory for the purchase as Kimble (the owner) offers really good pricing and also has used presses very often.

Also you can use your existing dies on the 650


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Old 11-25-2018, 11:40 AM
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I'm a long time 650 user. FWIW, I agree with your list, with the following comments:

1. Spare parts kit. Eehh, take it or leave it. Comforting to have but a phone call to Dillon will get the part(s) to you in 2-3 days. I bought one and never used it in several years.

2. Instead of the Dillon powder check, I prefer the RCBS lock-out die. The RCBS will actually stop the press from rotating, whereas the Dillon just gives an audible warning.

3. Low powder sensor is a gimmick, IMNSHO. You can see into the powder hopper. Why do you need an alarm to tell you the powder level is low? I've never gotten into such a "reloading trance" that I've failed to glance at the powder hopper level every 50 rounds or so.

The 650 can be a little tricky to get "dialed in", but once you do, you can crank out ammo in a hurry. And excellent ammo too. You'll be glad you got it.
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:15 PM
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you can never have too many primer pick up tubes!
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:17 PM
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I can't comment on the 650 but having used the strong mount and the Inline Fab Ultramount and the QC mounts, there is NO comparison. I also like the roller handle better from Inline Fab.

With Inline Fab, you have a choice of mount heights, QC mounts and other accessories. Worth your time to look them over, before buying.
Strong mount is very flimsy compared to Inline Fabrication.

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Old 11-25-2018, 12:18 PM
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You have to have the caliber conversion for whichever round your 650 does not come set up for. Shellplate, locator buttons, and "powder funnel."

An extra toolhead for the other caliber is a big help.

A lot of people will buy a powder measure for each toolhead but that is pretty extravagant. One of the calibrated bare hand adjusting knobs will get you by. I have the brass MR Dial, but if I were starting over, I would try Armanov.
https://usa-shop.armanov.com/product...bly-50-clicks/

I don't know about the 650 primer feed, but I have a complete extra unit for my 550, no changing out the bar and tube for me.
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:29 PM
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You might want to add some caliber conversions, they come with one of your choice but that's where the powder funnels, shell plates and such come from. Quick change kits are also nice but not necessary.
Agree with Rod on the powder low powder indicator and spare parts, hmm, seems the only thing that breaks is the plastic indexing ring whatever it's called. I keeps a spare or two of that because even though Dillon's service is great I don't like being interrupted.
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Old 11-25-2018, 02:44 PM
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Your powder measure hopper will discolor and become opaque, sooner if you leave powder in it between sessions.

You can
1. Dump powder when not actually in use, this will delay but not prevent discoloration.
2. Get a Pyrex hopper from Dramwerx.
3. Make your own analog level gauge from a plastic rod and a cardboard disk like I did. Have to drill out the vent hole in the measure cap.
4. Peer inside whenever you refill the primer feed. I get decent measuring with Ball powder right down to the baffle.
5. Pay Dillon for the buzzer.
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Old 11-25-2018, 02:51 PM
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Oh, and Balastictools makes some roller bearing upgrades, camming pin and shell plate bearing that makes for a really smooth operating machine.

https://ballistictools.com/store/dil...r-cam-follower
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Old 11-25-2018, 02:55 PM
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I have been loading on my 650 for many years.....I love it. i have found no need for:

(1) low powder sensor

(2) strong mount.....I load sitting

(3) roller handle....the ball works great in my hand

(4) alum. bullet tray....many things work just fine

I purchased the Dillon dies because they are quality and beveled for a progressive press. After many years,
I broke a spring and had to wait to get a replacement(free). I purchased the spare parts kit so that I don't have to stop/wait.



You will find a multitude of neat parts that make reloading more fun, and easier!!
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:02 PM
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Some sort of die plate light (skylite) to shine on the shell plate. It really lights up the shell plate work area. Dillon makes one as well as Inline. There are several others on-line as well as on eBay. Take your pick. As others have said, extra primer pick up tubes; if you have Allen wrenches you can pass on the Dillon set; spare parts, not really for a new unit.

I’ve had mine for almost a year now and wonder how loaded without one before.
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:47 PM
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I agree with Rod about using the lock out die and foregoing the low powder sensor. I love my 650 and here are some of the upgrades I've done to mine, most off of eBay from separate sellers:

1. led lighting system
2. dillon primer tube loader is worth it's weight in gold but is expensive.
3. low weight indexing ball bearing for plate. Makes plate movement smoother.
4. spent primer attachment with tube and jar. Without, you will have spent primers all over
your floor.
5. unused primer collector (instead of the stupid ski ramp that comes with it which again will
be all over your floor)
6. an extra primer assembly so you have a large one and a small one. Makes changeover
faster and easier.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:21 PM
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Extra primer pickup tubes, can't reload without them. I hate when all my tubes are empty in the middle of a session. Dillion shipping is expensive for little things so order your stuff from them all at once. I like their primer flipper plate.

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Old 11-25-2018, 05:01 PM
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I've been loading on two 650s for years...love 'em!! I'd recommend against Dillon dies; get Lee's. Don't buy the Dillon powder check system. Go with the RCBS Lockout Die. Unless your real name is Forrest Gump, or unless you're blind, you won't need a low powder sensor.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:09 PM
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If you are going to load cast SWC bullets, check out the bullet seating stem from Unique Tech. It replaces the stock seating stem in the Dillon Bullet Seating Die.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:17 PM
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Dillon dies are great for pistol, especially if you shoot lead. You pull a keeper and the stem drops into your hand for cleaning. I have a drawer full of Lee dies.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:58 PM
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Dillon dies are great for pistol, especially if you shoot lead. You pull a keeper and the stem drops into your hand for cleaning. I have a drawer full of Lee dies.
I don't load lead. I'd own Dillon dies if I did.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:44 PM
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I’m not a fan of Dillon dies, notably their crimp die. I’m slowly changing them all to Redding. The bullet seater is next on my list.
I agree with RetiredRod; there is a “...dialing in...” period but when it’s set, you smile.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:55 PM
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No bent sheet metal brackets (“strong mount”) will be as stable as the cast aluminum frame mounted to a solid bench top.

If you don’t mount the press up on some sheet metal brackets, you can set a box of bullets right beside it and not have to buy an aluminum tray to set them in.

I had a roller handle but got rid of it (and the strong mount), just prefer the ball.

The low powder (measure) alarm is less than useful but I do run the powder check dies when I can.

After you load a few thousand to see how the machine runs from the factory’s, I’d suggest a timken NTA-815 and a couple of washers between the shell plate and bolt head.
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Old 11-25-2018, 08:12 PM
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Great thread - many good leads here for improving and outfitting Dillon presses. Thanks to all.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:54 AM
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In my very humble opinion, it can be worth it to get the Dillon hex key set. The bracket and wrenches are right there. I have a number of allan sets, but where is the one I need? My Dillon set stays with the press and it is only used for the press. Seemed like extravagance until I need one and it is right there. It is a Nice to have, not a need to have, at what I feel was a reasonable cost. Also, the Inline Fab light is very helpful. I feel a good light shining down on the shellplate and into the cases is a safety item.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:14 PM
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Thanks everyone I am modifying my purchase and adding the 9mm conversion and dies now. All of this is great info keep it going.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:07 PM
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I really like the strong mounts, they work great for me.
I thought I did not need the bullet tray but using it, the bullets are right there. Another great addition for me.
Love the roller handle, the ball not so much. Am looking to get the foam or rubber cover for the handle at some point.
Never did use the low powder alarm. But amazingly enough I do notice a difference using the powder baffle. And I like the Dillon low powder alarm a lot.
Also got the roller index cam block and the camming pin bearing rod, the press runs much smoother now!!!
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:34 PM
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I also use the aftermarket spent primer/unused primer systems. When I was loading 5.56/.223s, I used the Swage It.
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