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Old 04-17-2019, 05:26 PM
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Colt CAR-15 XM177 E2

Today as I was casually checking the main local website for gun sales, I saw an add for a Colt Commando. I immediately wrote to the seller, he called me and by luck was passing close to my house on his way to the mountain for the Easter weekend. He agreed to take the rifle along and stop by to show it to me.

He said the barrel was replaced as the original was shot. The bolt was also replaced. Rifle is fully functional. Lots of external wear as can be expected with an old warhorse. Otherwise I really donít know that much about this rifle.

Wikipedia : In April 1967, the Army purchased 510 Colt 629 Commandos for use by troops assigned to the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam Studies and Observations Group (MACV-SOG), and designated them XM177E2. Delivery was completed by the end of September 1967. The Air Force adopted a similar model without the forward assist feature as the GAU-5A/A.

Does that mean there were only 510 built in total and it dates the rifle between April and September of 1967. Or were more built later, after the initial order?

The asking price was $ 3000, we agreed on $ 2700. For info I live in Switzerland. So the wait for the special license begins, should be 2-3 weeks.

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With its sibling (1972 M16A1)

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Old 04-17-2019, 06:45 PM
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The Wikipedia article isn't clear.
It says 510 were produced by Colt from April 1967 to September of 1967, but also says the Colt CAR-15 Commando production ended in 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR-15_XM177

You might post this on the AR-15 forum. Some real experts post there.....

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:00 PM
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Makes me want to move to Switzerland! Nice looking rifle but it would look better with the proper pencil barrel on her IMHO. Does the barrel have any markings on it? How do you know the bolt was replaced by the way? Is it a Colt bolt?
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:02 PM
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When I was in USAF many decades back we called these a GAU. Damn thing rattled so much. Worked fine, I liked carrying it. Different FH IIRC.

Two or three weeks for full auto? Pretty girls, great chocolate - what's it take to become a Swiss citizen Ö.
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Old 04-24-2019, 07:02 AM
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Last week I spent a couple of days mountain climbing in South America with a bunch of Swiss 20-somethings. Boy, those kids sure know how to blaze up a mountain at 20kft!

Those are 2 very nice rifles you've got there!
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:51 AM
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The Wikipedia article isn't clear.
It says 510 were produced by Colt from April 1967 to September of 1967, but also says the Colt CAR-15 Commando production ended in 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR-15_XM177

You might post this on the AR-15 forum. Some real experts post there.....

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/

I follow the AR 15 forum a little, but have not posted there yet. It seems I cannot use the Tapatalk application which makes posting pics a lot easier.
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:53 AM
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Makes me want to move to Switzerland! Nice looking rifle but it would look better with the proper pencil barrel on her IMHO. Does the barrel have any markings on it? How do you know the bolt was replaced by the way? Is it a Colt bolt?

I agree, Iíll have to see if replacing the barrel is feasible, if it makes sense and if I can source one.

The seller mentioned the replaced bolt. I will strip, study, take pics and post pics as soon as I have the gun in hand, should be next week.
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:55 AM
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When I was in USAF many decades back we called these a GAU. Damn thing rattled so much. Worked fine, I liked carrying it. Different FH IIRC.



Two or three weeks for full auto? Pretty girls, great chocolate - what's it take to become a Swiss citizen Ö.

I believe the GAU were with the forward assist.

10 years residence in the country to start with. Then the usual, be a good citizen, a small exam, pay your taxes.
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:57 AM
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Last week I spent a couple of days mountain climbing in South America with a bunch of Swiss 20-somethings. Boy, those kids sure know how to blaze up a mountain at 20kft!

Those are 2 very nice rifles you've got there!

Glad to see those kids upheld a tradition of Swiss mountaineering. So high up the Andes ? Went to visit a mine at over 5000 meters on the Chilean / Bolivian border 25 years ago, boy, not much oxygen up there.
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Old 04-28-2019, 05:29 PM
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I received the license and picked up the gun and the original barrel with the front sight this morning. No markings at all. The barrel was pretty corroded inside and pitted with weak grooves. I started cleaning it, hoping it would improve, but it just made the pitting shinier and more obvious.

I will still install it in order to bring the gun back to its original condition. In any case itís not meant as a precision rifle, and I will fire it very occasionally in full auto mode at short to medium distances.





Seems to be a 10 inch barrel, not 11.5



With the flat ring instead of the Delta / tapered ring.



So I came to the conclusion that it is an XM 177 E2 lower with an XM 177 E1 upper. If these thing could talk.

Some details :





The large aperture sight seems to have been ground off, maybe for a faster target acquisition at short range.



As a consequence, the small aperture sight falls backwards



And the front sight was bottomed out in order to compensate



... with pliers ...

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Old 04-28-2019, 05:30 PM
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The replacement barrel and front sight


















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Old 04-28-2019, 05:31 PM
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Colt CAR-15 XM177 E2















It came with 3 30 rounds mags, a Colt, an Okay and one unmarked




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Old 08-19-2019, 02:02 PM
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So my gunsmith installed the original barrel (well the barrel that came with the gun).

He also test fired the gun, and the bad news is that the barrel is so shot, that the bullets keyhole even at 10 meters.



On the other hand the full auto ran great with no hiccups.

The other bad news is that the FSB on the replacement CMMG barrel was butchered in with 5 screws, two of them being totally seized. The smith did not want to drill the screws and risk damage something (I took care of that later) so he could not remove the old original flat ring









Anyway hereís the rifle in itís somewhat more original configuration











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Old 08-19-2019, 02:03 PM
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Now I need to find an 11.5í 1:12 Colt barrel
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:14 PM
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Before the retro craze arrived, if I needed a 11.5", 12.7" or 14.5" I'd purchase a Colt SP1 16" barrel assembly from Gunbroker and had it cut to desired length. Not cost effective but got what I needed since they were not offered at time. Now it's just a little easier. I hope this helps. Hope you don't have custom problems with firearm parts. Good luck!

Complete barrel assembly (which you don't need) in 1-12 twist:
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod114047.aspx

Barrel only which you need, but in 1-7 twist:
http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/gm-m64-...ith-1-7-twist/

Barrel only 1-9 twist:
https://retrorifles.com/11-5-inch-co...e2-barrel-625/
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:53 AM
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Before the retro craze arrived, if I needed a 11.5", 12.7" or 14.5" I'd purchase a Colt SP1 16" barrel assembly from Gunbroker and had it cut to desired length. Not cost effective but got what I needed since they were not offered at time. Now it's just a little easier. I hope this helps. Hope you don't have custom problems with firearm parts. Good luck!

Complete barrel assembly (which you don't need) in 1-12 twist:
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod114047.aspx

Barrel only which you need, but in 1-7 twist:
http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/gm-m64-...ith-1-7-twist/

Barrel only 1-9 twist:
https://retrorifles.com/11-5-inch-co...e2-barrel-625/


Thanks a lot for infos and all the links.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:16 AM
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April, '67? September, '67?

The first week in March, '67, I headed to the bush and took over my rifle platoon in an infantry division.

My issue weapon was a Colt XM177E2.



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Old 10-08-2019, 09:01 AM
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I received and installed an 11.5í barrel from Brownells













Still missing a grenade ring
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I received and installed an 11.5í barrel from Brownells













Still missing a grenade ring


Iím really starting to not like you.
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Old 03-11-2020, 04:25 PM
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Colt CAR-15 XM177 E2

A few weeks ago I received the grenade ring I ordered, today I took a few pics of the rifle






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Old 03-12-2020, 08:45 AM
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I love this model AR. I find it fascinating that citizens can own full auto in Switzerland will little to no hassle. Enjoy your XM.
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