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Old 03-08-2020, 05:50 AM
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Old 03-08-2020, 06:54 AM
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Old 03-08-2020, 07:06 AM
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Unfortunately a lot of cops in NJ don't know, or don't want to know, the laws in NJ. And it isn't just cops, some self proclaim "gun-guys" you find running gun stores can be just as ignorant (I had an argument once with one about the legality of HPs in NJ coincidentally). Well I haven't gone to a gun-store here in 10 years, got tired of dealing with know-it-all's, and get much better price and selection on-line.

As far as dealing with ignorant cops around here, while I don't carry, I do transport hollow-points to the range and have been carry this in my range bag since day one umpteen years ago "just in case"...From the NJST web-site, FAQ's (wish the security guard would have also, he will be fine but after wasting some time and money):

I’m not a police officer, are hollow points legal for me to possess?
Yes. They are legal for purchase and possess in your home or on land owned by you. They are legal to possess and use at a gun range. They are also legal to possess while traveling to and from such places. Ammunition lacking a hollow cavity at the tip, such as those with a polymer filling, are not considered to be hollow point ammunition. An example of this can be seen with the Hornady Critical Defense / Critical Duty, Cor-Bon PowRball / Glaser Safety Slug and Nosler Inc. Defense ammunition.
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Old 03-08-2020, 07:42 AM
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Yet another and Unfortunately, a clear example of our Moronic our gun laws are. The person arrested supposedly informed the officer, he had a weapon and CC permit?? Then gets arrested for having ‘legal” ammunition. LE has been lulled to sleep in ignorance to a large degree because of our clear anti gun policies.

Virtually every LGS that i know of sells hollow point SD ammunition.
As CA stated, they are legal as are polymer filled are not considered HP. I get asked the same question by colleagues that ive converted to our +2A side.

As an aside, I dont like tinted windows and they are technically illegal in NJ, but yet seems like everyone ( exaggerating) has them and Never seems to get stopped for them.

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Old 03-08-2020, 07:47 AM
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That was another case of the poor guy "driving while black" too. The police targeted him because he is black and driving at night. So they then had to come up with reasons to justify it.

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Old 03-08-2020, 08:58 AM
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That was another case of the poor guy "driving while black" too. The police targeted him because he is black and driving at night. So they then had to come up with reasons to justify it.
I usually don't always think it is apropos, but I'd love to see him sue them on this basis, they would deserve it.
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Old 03-08-2020, 09:39 AM
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I'm sure the state will quickly drop all charges. The Dems wouldn't want this case to ever make it into federal courts.
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Old 03-08-2020, 12:42 PM
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That was another case of the poor guy "driving while black" too. The police targeted him because he is black and driving at night. So they then had to come up with reasons to justify it.
And there we have it, what a bunch of BS! That is Liberal talk 101! If you are not a liberal then you are just a fool to say such a thing. Do you know why he was stopped? I do, it was for illegal window tint. Kind of hard to see the color of a person's skin through dark tinted windows, even more so at night. Do you even know the race of the arresting officer?
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Old 03-08-2020, 01:12 PM
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I'm sure the state will quickly drop all charges. The Dems wouldn't want this case to ever make it into federal courts.
I read he has already hired an attorney. I hope he sues the snot out the the township and officers. If he was put in the system, he will have to have this arrest expunged. This involves a lot of time and money. None of which should come out of his pocket.

As a retired LEO who does carry, I avoid these so called "approved" ammunition for this very reason. NJ laws are so convoluted its not worth the trouble. Until the statues are amended or eliminated, I'll stick with FMJ.
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Old 03-08-2020, 01:37 PM
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I read he has already hired an attorney. I hope he sues the snot out the the township and officers. If he was put in the system, he will have to have this arrest expunged. This involves a lot of time and money. None of which should come out of his pocket.

As a retired LEO who does carry, I avoid these so called "approved" ammunition for this very reason. NJ laws are so convoluted its not worth the trouble. Until the statues are amended or eliminated, I'll stick with FMJ.
My close friend/"brother" from the old "hood" who is NYPD retired-20y and lives in NJ now also, also carries FMJ for the same reason.
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Old 03-08-2020, 04:00 PM
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I remember when they came out with Expanding FMJ Guard Dog Ammo, the only reason was for places like New Jersey where hollow points were prohibited.
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Old 03-08-2020, 06:42 PM
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I read he has already hired an attorney. I hope he sues the snot out the the township and officers. If he was put in the system, he will have to have this arrest expunged. This involves a lot of time and money. None of which should come out of his pocket.
I agree with you on that. I read about this a couple of days ago on Bearing Arms and I could hardly believe it. This has to be one of the most absolute BS arrest I have heard of in a long time.
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Old 03-09-2020, 06:44 AM
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Old 03-09-2020, 09:27 AM
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My cousin is LE and told me a story... Philadelphia PD chased some “allegdy” criminals over into Trenton and called local PD to let them know... NJ police shire I’ll at the stop and confiscate Philly PD’s firearms and escort them back to the bridge where they face them their guns back and watched them drive back into Pennsylvania.... ludicrous
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Old 03-09-2020, 09:28 AM
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How do I edit what spellcheck screws up?
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Old 03-09-2020, 10:04 AM
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How do I edit what spellcheck screws up?
Click edit on bottom right of your post, then save. I think your cousin is a story teller though.
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