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Old 01-02-2017, 05:53 PM
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10mm Commander anyone?

Has anyone done a 10mm Commander size gun with an aluminum frame?

Was wondering how the recoil is with full loads and how long/many rounds one may have been using it...

Have been shooting .38 Super since 1980 and 10mm since last year. Have been thinking of doing a Fusion non-ramped barrel topend and trying it on one of my Commander frames...

I have a Combat Commander, GM and Long Slide 1911s now in 10mm...

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Old 01-02-2017, 06:32 PM
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I love the 10mm. But can't help but wonder how bad the slide stop notch wouldn't be battered in an aluminum frame with that shorter slide?
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Old 01-02-2017, 06:33 PM
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I don't think you will get anyone to build a 10 aluminum frame commander. I did get Nighthawk to build a steel frame commander in 10 and I know you can get Dan Wesson to build a 10mm commander with steel frame. I think from the pressure and recoil of this round the aluminum frame may wear to fast.
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Old 01-02-2017, 06:34 PM
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Nope not going to happen.... Wish it would but the gun would not last. Would be great for a carry gun that is shot maybe 1k times in the lifecycle. Have seen steel ones...

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Old 01-02-2017, 06:39 PM
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9x23 Winchester runs 55K psi...10mm only high 30ks... I have shot quite a few rounds of 9x23 through aluminum frame guns with no apparent damage...

Don't know why a slidestop notch would get damaged because of an aluminum frame...what am I missing?

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Old 01-02-2017, 06:42 PM
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9x23 Winchester runs 55K psi...10mm only high 30ks... I have shot quite a few rounds of 9x23 through aluminum frame guns with no apparent damage...

Don't know why a slidestop notch would get damaged because of an aluminum frame...what am I missing?

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Old 01-02-2017, 06:45 PM
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Nope not going to happen.... Wish it would but the gun would not last. Would be great for a carry gun that is shot maybe 1k times in the lifecycle. Have seen steel ones...
This is the consensus. Steel frame full size 1911's don't last as long as the same in .45, so a smaller, lighter gun would take a beating much quicker. Go to the Glock 29 for a compact 10mm; not a 1911, but built for the purpose of shooting 10mm.
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Old 01-02-2017, 06:48 PM
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9x23 Winchester runs 55K psi...10mm only high 30ks... I have shot quite a few rounds of 9x23 through aluminum frame guns with no apparent damage...

Don't know why a slidestop notch would get damaged because of an aluminum frame...what am I missing?

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Old 01-02-2017, 06:58 PM
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I find the recoil impulse of the 9x23 as bad if not worse than a 10mm....
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Old 01-02-2017, 07:39 PM
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I have a S&W model 1066.

It is more or less Commander sized with all steel construction. I do not like it nearly as much as my more or less Government model sized S&W model 1006s. If the 1066 was an aluminum framed gun, I am thinking that I would like it even less.

And I have a S&W model 29 with a three inch barrel that I like to shoot. So draw your own conclusions.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:41 AM
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SuperMan, I've owned 10MMs since there has been a 10MM, but none with an aluminum frame. Sounds like the answer is to have that top end built for an alloy lower. Since you've been shooting 10MM for the last year you already know recoil would be snappy in a lighter frame, but nothing like some of the big magnum calibers. Certainly sounds doable to me. Years ago, my new Colt Commander in .45 ACP cracked the aluminum alloy frame after moderate use with standard pressure ammo. I suspect the service life of the aluminum frame might be reduced over the lesser calibers, but that might not be an issue with today's modern,possibly tougher?, alloy frames.

Reference pressure and recoil impulse. As long as the breeching system is adequate to contain whatever pressure is generated, pressure is not what beats up guns. Recoil impulse is what beats up barrel/slide/frame impact surfaces,etc. I've shot and chronographed a bit of the heavier factory and reloaded 10MM, 38 Super, 9X23 Win,etc. Recoil of some of the "real" 10MM ammo is quite a bit greater than any 38 Super or 9X23 Win. factory or reloaded ammo I've tested. For instance, the Buffalo Bore 180 grain 10MM at a chronographed 1380 fps generates over 35% more recoil than the 9X23 Win. 125 grain at 1450 fps load. The 9X23 125 grain would have to approach 2000 fps to equal the recoil impulse of the 10MM 180 @ 1380 load. I realize we all perceive recoil differently, so it may not feel that way. Anyway, If you decide to do an alloy framed 10MM, I'd be interested in your experience with it.
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Old 01-03-2017, 10:21 AM
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Even all steel Commanders in 10mm are not that common. I found a DW Classic in 10mm a few years ago. It was almost new with box etc.

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Old 01-03-2017, 10:37 AM
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Closest your going to get to that is a Glock 29!!
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Old 01-03-2017, 03:35 PM
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Thanks Rock...that is what the plan would be...build an upper and just mate it to one of the Commanders I already have.

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Old 01-04-2017, 02:07 PM
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Even all steel Commanders in 10mm are not that common. I found a DW Classic in 10mm a few years ago. It was almost new with box etc.

I've got one of those.
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Old 01-04-2017, 03:00 PM
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I have a RIA, steel frame of course, their "midsize" (COmmander) length model. I too wouldn't think you could make an AL frame last with this kind of power.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:52 PM
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All steel full custom bobtailed commander in 10mm from Lou at BEC
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:12 PM
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I have to think Commander, Alloy and 10mm do not all belong in the same description.

Frame is obvious issue as far a taking a beating....but also slide ( slide stop notch peening ) as well as slide stop.

To my thinking, 10mm, especially pushed to potential belong in a steel frame 5", and really makes the most sense to me in long slide as a hunting handgun. IMHO
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:17 PM
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What about a titanium-framed, Commander-length 1911 in 10mm? I know SVI/Infinity can do Ti frames. Do they offer such an option in 10mm?
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:27 PM
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I just don't see it for the fact that the frame sounds like it would take an awful beating.
As much as I hate to admit it, the G29 would be the better way to go.
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:44 PM
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This is pretty much my take on it as well.

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I have to think Commander, Alloy and 10mm do not all belong in the same description.

Frame is obvious issue as far a taking a beating....but also slide ( slide stop notch peening ) as well as slide stop.

To my thinking, 10mm, especially pushed to potential belong in a steel frame 5", and really makes the most sense to me in long slide as a hunting handgun. IMHO
Others will of course see things differently.
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Old 01-04-2017, 08:17 PM
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Are we showing off Dan Wesson CBOBs in 10mm? I'll play along then. Mine is one of only 100 made in a factory-two finish. This one is a single digit serial number.



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Old 01-05-2017, 07:31 PM
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I have done/shot...
all steel, ramped 10mm CCO 1911 (4.25" barrel).
alum. frame, un-ramped 10mm CCO 1911 (4.25" barrel).
all steel, un-ramped 10mm CCO 1911 (4.25", cut-down Colt Delta barrel).
alum. frame S&W 3rd Gen 4013 10mm conv. (3.75" barrel).
alum. frame S&W 3rd Gen CS40 10mm conv. (3.25" barrel).
alum. frame, ramped STI compact 9x23win conv. (3" barrel).
alum. frame, ramped DW ECO 9x23win conv. (3.5" barrel).
alum. frame, ramped Kimber Pro 9x23win. conv. (4" barrel).
alum. frame, un-ramped Colt Commander 9x23win. conv.
alum. frame, un-ramped .400corbon CCO 1911 (4.25" barrel).
alum. frame, ramped Kimber Ultra .357sig conv. (3" barrel).

All pistols were configured for concealed carry use, and mostly shootable with properly selected ammo. Obviously, not intended as range toys or target/paper punchers.
Consider these as alternatives to shorter barreled Magnum revolvers, and even those lightweight snubbies in .44spl and .38+P.

9x23win is acceptable in just about any size of 1911. For a 1911 in 10mm, I (ME, personally) would not want anything shorter than 4" or 4.25" for my barrel/slide length. I found that if you could handle the steel-framed gun, the aluminum version wasn't much 'worse'. A commander-length 10mm takes a STOUT recoil spring, so racking the slide becomes a VERY deliberate and concentrated part of the gun's handling.
As per their intended purpose, and ammo requirements, none were ever subjected to long duration 'torture' testing.
Shock-buffs were used, and did not impede function on the 3.5" barreled, and longer, models.

When it comes to the 1911, the frame can always be replaced if it becomes ragged or compromised... a definite advantage when working "outside the box", having good/great aftermarket options.
Doing this kind of conversion on a current 'factory' lightweight gun/frame should be looked at carefully... and maybe just as a temporary test-bed for a future budget-build (on a new aftermarket frame), based on its perceived value.
The reason that the 1911 industry does not do much of this in "factory form" is simple... WARRANTY logistics. Hats off to Glock, for their selection/offerings and pricing.
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:00 AM
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I have built 9, 10mm Commanders with a LW aluminum alloy frame. All have been ported either an extended barrel with three ports, or a Mag-na-Port. One customer has 5,000 rounds through it with no noticeable wear. I go with a 26lb main spring, flat bottom FPS, full length guide rod, and a 26 pound flat coil recoil spring. All have been W/N ramps. I am also talking about shooting Underwood or Double Tap ammo. I generally like to hard chrome the frame, but it has not made that much of a difference.

I have also made several 9x23 Win and 357 Sig in Commander LW frame, and also a 9x25 Dillon on the same Aluminum type Commander frame. I do not have time for put picture right now, and people know these are carry guns and not made for 100,000 endurance testing. Actually reliability has been more of an issue, which is one reason I went with the flat coil recoil spring. It has solved the FTF issues caused by the fast slide and you must also have strong magazine springs.

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