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Old 06-26-2020, 09:08 AM
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LW officer's framed 38 Super (4" or 4.25")

My search-fu is might weak for a friday morning...

Anyone know of current production Lightweight Officer's framed 38 Supers, in 4" or commander length?

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Old 06-26-2020, 09:25 AM
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My search-fu is might weak for a friday morning...



Anyone know of current production Lightweight Officer's framed 38 Supers, in 4" or commander length?



Thanks!
San Wesson Vigil CCO comes to mind. Pretty sure they are available in .38 super.

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Old 06-26-2020, 10:42 AM
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Another option would be to purchase a 9mm model and fit a .38 Super barrel to it and buy some .38 Super mags. Now you have a 2 caliber pistol.
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Old 06-26-2020, 11:55 AM
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If you act swiftly....you may still be able to get WC to build you one while they still have 38Super barrels in stock.
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Old 06-26-2020, 12:39 PM
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Dan Wesson Guardian in 38Super, Commander size 4.25” barrel.
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Old 06-26-2020, 01:29 PM
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Oops, I misread the OP’s post. Colt doesn’t make a CCO in .38 Super.

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Old 06-26-2020, 01:57 PM
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Depending on your budget, another vote to check out Wilson Combat... next (or first) stop: Dan Wesson. The Talo editions would probably set you back more than they are really worth, price-wise, compared to a Wilson or Dan Wesson.
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Old 06-26-2020, 03:14 PM
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Slim pickens it seems. A DW Valkyrie would be nice, but it's not listed in 38 Super.

The wilson option is possible but it appears that it's about $4k spec'd out. For that money, I'd probably lean another direction.
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Old 06-26-2020, 03:42 PM
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Ever consider a bobtailed Commander? Just about as easy to conceal as a compact frame. Dan Wesson's Guardian is wonderful.
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Old 06-26-2020, 06:08 PM
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RIA catalogs several variations, but they don't bring in many and they seem to sell instantly.

Despite the "experts" continually claiming the .38 Super is dead, they sure seem hard to keep in stock...
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Old 06-26-2020, 08:12 PM
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My search-fu is might weak for a friday morning...

Anyone know of current production Lightweight Officer's framed 38 Supers, in 4" or commander length?

Thanks!
Guncrafter makes or will make you one.
Iíve got their NN CCO in 38 super. Mine is a steel frame. 4.25 barrel.
My son has the LW NN CCO in 9mm.
I also have a GI LW bobtail commander In 9mm.
All are phenomenal pistols.
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^^^If Guncrafter is in your budget I'd strongly recommend them. I love mine more than my Browns or Wilsons.
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Old 06-27-2020, 06:18 PM
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I would get a DW Vigil or Valkyrie in 9mm,
then convert with a (Para/Clark/Lissner ramp) new barrel.

Metalform makes the compact mags.

I have run 14,16, and 18lb recoil springs in .38 Commanders.
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:12 PM
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It's hard to beat the Dan Wesson Guardian, priced right, bobtail, alloy frame, commander slide and they shoot great.

If money is no object you could have ACW build you a Brimstone in 38 super or maybe get one of the last WC Stealth's or another model in 38 super. I'm sure Nighthawk or GI will build you anything you want in 38 super with an alloy frame.

I did see a couple of Ed Brown KC on GB for sale priced pretty well, didn't recall if they were LWT or not.

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Old 06-27-2020, 07:18 PM
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Slim pickens it seems. A DW Valkyrie would be nice, but it's not listed in 38 Super.

The wilson option is possible but it appears that it's about $4k spec'd out. For that money, I'd probably lean another direction.
Try Tyler at Cajun Concealed, great guy. Hereís a pic of my NN CCO 38super and BT commander 9mm.
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:16 AM
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Nice, I'll check them out. Thanks
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:51 AM
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If you're not locked into the 38 Super, another route is find a 9mm alum framed gun you like and rechamber to 9x23, which ditches the semi-rimmed nonsense of the Super and the factory loadings are significantly hotter than either the Super or 9 +P
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:11 AM
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Yep, any 9mm Colt/1911 can have a 9x23mm Winchester barrel & bushing fitted. .38 Super will run in the 9x23 Win. barrel, as well. I had Jim Hoag do just that when he did my 9mm Colt Combat Commander.
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:27 AM
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I already load 38 super so that would be my initial preference. My other runs 100% on semi-rimmed. (but could run supercomp brass for this one if needed)

I'll do some research on 9x23 anyway- dies and some brass wouldn't break the budget.

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Old 06-29-2020, 10:36 AM
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The 9x23 can be cut right into a 9mm Parabellum chamber. So, reaming/headspacing and mags may be all that's needed. No new barrel.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:25 PM
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The 9x23 can be cut right into a 9mm Parabellum chamber. So, reaming/headspacing and mags may be all that's needed. No new barrel.
Would the 38 Super mags be the same as 9 X 23? I guess I'd need a recoil spring as well- what weight do you run? (with which bbl length?)
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:16 AM
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About three years ago I picked up a Colt lw commander in 38 Super. Talo version, bi tone. I’m thinking it was nos.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:40 AM
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My bad. Misread your post op. You’re looking for a cco.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:03 PM
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Don't butcher up a valuable 9mm Colt barrel. Get a spare barrel that is NOT ramped w/fitted bushing and .38 Super magazines. Have the barrel fitted to your pistola. Colt Super .38s used to headspace on the semi-rim, but since the Series 70 guns, no longer. They headspace on the case mouth, like .45acp, 9mm, 9x21mm, and the 9x23mm Win. guns, which solved the accuracy problems with the early (pre-70 Series) guns. You can shoot 9x23mm Win in a current Colt (or anyone else's) .38 Super barrel and vice-versa (.38 Super in a 9x23MM). By keeping your 9mm barrel and bushing, you can always run cheap 9mm in your gun - and the Super/9x23 Win. when you need more power. You could also get a .357 Sig barrel group and .40 magazines for grins and giggles...
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Old 07-04-2020, 05:28 AM
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1911 .38 super

I built my own STI 2011 .38 super Commander with a W/N ramped Commander length bull barrel. For high pressure rounds, I like ramped barrels since they usually offer better cartridge case support so with a round in the chamber, the case is fully enclosed and supported by steel up to the extractor groove.

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I am not sure what is meant by "the semi rimmed nonsense of the .38 super" but I have been using hot loaded .38 super rounds in competitive USPSA competition for over 30 years without issue, with no problems making the power factor which years ago was a 170PF, but is now a 165PF. At one time in my competitive shooting career, I was shooting an average of 20,000 a year of .38 super. Many years ago, the straight walled .38 super case was re-designed to headspace on the case mouth, and has been for roughly 35 years or more. Some shooters that had improperly built guns went to 9X23 or .38 super comp, but I never felt the need, since my .38 super guns have always ran great with very good accuracy.

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