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Old 07-03-2020, 09:30 AM
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Should the McCloskey's get pulled into court over this, fellow gun owners that agree with what they did should line up to get on the jury. Don't let the prosecutor seat anti-gunners.
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This is not a Black vs White war, contrary to what the Lefty wants people to believe because it benefits their agenda. Rather it is a Constitution-of-USA vs Marxist-Ideology war. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise...All "colors" inhabit both sides of this war, the Lefty wants to hide this fact also.
I had been thinking this for a couple of years now. Problem is, due to (reasons), the overwhelming majority of Blacks are also Democrats. That's a big part of what would lend any "civil" war a race angle.

I .. don't care. I don't *care* what it looks like. I want the Communist rot cut out from this country, by brute force if need be!

But 100% agree, the issue at hand isn't race -- it's ideology. And it's the same damn battle as we have been fighting since at least the 1920's!

Is this the year we man up and take it to the streets, or will we continue to be sheep?

I'm not saying we Burn, Loot and Murder, but we sure as hell can get out there and put on a show worthy of a 1960' Vietnam protest, only this time it'll be Old Glory flying above our heads as we chant "Defend the USA!" instead of "Hell No, We Won't Go!" with Vietnam flags flying over us.

THOSE people, those assholes who chanted that, those turds that spat on our soldiers, are now running the country. Their kids are already well entrenched in Government and calling the shots. Chew on that for a minute.

I think it's time WE start marching to call out the Communist rot, and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Question is when, and where. Too late for a July 4 event, but.. there's still 4 months until Election Day.

This may be the way. Can't counter BLM, you're racist if you do. But counter Communism? Gladly. That's what I signed up for May 15 1989, and that oath is still good.

National Pride demonstrations. Yeah that's the ticket. Where to start.. HOW to start.. I've never done this in my life. Oh well, I'm sure the left has plenty of material, maybe I should study their methods and turn their own gun against them.
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Old 07-03-2020, 10:40 AM
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Totally agree. Why can't the right get a coalition going and show some power? We need to take to the streets as a huge mass of people fed up with the Left's PC mandates. They do it. Why can't we?
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Old 07-03-2020, 11:24 AM
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Totally agree. Why can't the right get a coalition going and show some power? We need to take to the streets as a huge mass of people fed up with the Left's PC mandates. They do it. Why can't we?
Remember what happened to the Tea Party?
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Old 07-03-2020, 12:24 PM
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I had been thinking this for a couple of years now. Problem is, due to (reasons), the overwhelming majority of Blacks are also Democrats. That's a big part of what would lend any "civil" war a race angle.

I .. don't care. I don't *care* what it looks like. I want the Communist rot cut out from this country, by brute force if need be!

But 100% agree, the issue at hand isn't race -- it's ideology. And it's the same damn battle as we have been fighting since at least the 1920's!

Is this the year we man up and take it to the streets, or will we continue to be sheep?

I'm not saying we Burn, Loot and Murder, but we sure as hell can get out there and put on a show worthy of a 1960' Vietnam protest, only this time it'll be Old Glory flying above our heads as we chant "Defend the USA!" instead of "Hell No, We Won't Go!" with Vietnam flags flying over us.

THOSE people, those assholes who chanted that, those turds that spat on our soldiers, are now running the country. Their kids are already well entrenched in Government and calling the shots. Chew on that for a minute.

I think it's time WE start marching to call out the Communist rot, and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Question is when, and where. Too late for a July 4 event, but.. there's still 4 months until Election Day.

This may be the way. Can't counter BLM, you're racist if you do. But counter Communism? Gladly. That's what I signed up for May 15 1989, and that oath is still good.

National Pride demonstrations. Yeah that's the ticket. Where to start.. HOW to start.. I've never done this in my life. Oh well, I'm sure the left has plenty of material, maybe I should study their methods and turn their own gun against them.
Yea, lots of good points Bro...

Remember this, lot of "hippies" got their butts handed to them that day:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=1970+h...&setlang=en-US

As far as today, it is a tougher question, we do need to do something because our elected officials and our judicial system will not...Either way, i don't think any group will get anything without getting out in the street in numbers. That is where we are at in today's reality.

Maybe a rally, Gun Owners (armed), and other conservatives (police, Conservative Christian groups like Evangelicals, etc.), and march on the Supreme Court this time (like they marched on the VA capital earlier this year). (Peaceful of course, but always ready to defend oneself).

We can start working on a list of demands now, lets shoot for 10:

Here's a start:

SC must protect the Right To Keep and Bear Arms, by accepting 2A cases and ruling pursuant with the Constitution.

What are your "list of demands" :-):

I'm not looking for this to be only a 2A march, but rather a "Protect the Constitution and Rule of Law March" so that we can get so many other groups involved and accomplish more.

With a Rally "scope" like this we could easily put 100,000 butts right in Justice-Roberts face.
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:18 PM
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Tucker has been bringing it since day one. Oreilly (Not to bring up the dead) was colorful at times and had some weight, but Tucker has more than replaced him in so much as going face to face and outing the wacked out socialist left and exposing the Rinos. Its called being objective and reporting the facts. Does that keep him in a seat on the Fox bus, we’ll see.
I hope so. Hopefully, he’ll steer clear of a sexual harassment claim like the most recent Ed Henry, and the rest who have gone by the wayside.
You mean another claim? Tucker already had a big one before the show was on the air. He was cleared of any wrong doing, but he said it took a long time.
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:23 PM
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Totally agree. Why can't the right get a coalition going and show some power? We need to take to the streets as a huge mass of people fed up with the Left's PC mandates. They do it. Why can't we?
BLM and Antifa showed up here on Tuesday. There were about a hundred of them and 2500 Americans waving flags in their faces. Funny thing is, they didn't burn or loot anything. I guess they only do that kind of stuff when the numbers are on their side. Doesn't that make the cowards?

Yep, it sure does. If there ever is any final showdown, it won't last long.
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:30 PM
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The same thing happened in my little community. All 5 of the BLM supporters were surrounded by 20-30 waving American flags. The BLM group bugged out. But we need to this on a National scale. Boise is a start. How about every big city and state capital in America?
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Tucker won't be around much longer. They will get to him somehow and will of course fire him.
I disagree. He just had the highest quarterly ratings of any cable news show. Ever.
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I disagree. He just had the highest quarterly ratings of any cable news show. Ever.
Absolutely meaningless when the Left make their call.
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Old 07-03-2020, 11:56 PM
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Totally agree. Why can't the right get a coalition going and show some power? We need to take to the streets as a huge mass of people fed up with the Left's PC mandates. They do it. Why can't we?
Probably because most of us have real jobs.
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Totally agree. Why can't the right get a coalition going and show some power? We need to take to the streets as a huge mass of people fed up with the Left's PC mandates. They do it. Why can't we?
Probably because most of us have real jobs.
So did the Founders. ...Their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor.
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Street sweeper? I don’t have one.

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Old 07-04-2020, 04:26 AM
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This whole thing echoes of history in my ears.... In 1945 General Patton said "While we're here, let's go ahead and wipe out the russians! You know and I know they are nothing but trouble, and will be a pain in your side for all eternity unless we end it now!"

Food for thought.
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Old 07-04-2020, 05:38 AM
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It is not a day at the range though, it requires organization, concentration of power, and leadership...

The most impressive thing and most successful thing along these lines I've seen in the Gun Community was the VCDL effort earlier this year marching on Richmond...I still get their daily e-mails and I am quite impressed with their leadership...Although I am happy we have our NRA-Affiliate in NJ, and they do take the lead role on many law suits (which in the end aren't going to change a thing because the SC is derelict of their duty), the NJ NRA-Affiliate is just not in the same league of the VCDL.

Love to see the VCDL coordinate a march on the Supreme Court. Bring in the Police Unions (if they are willing to get off their asses, because so far the leadership representing the Cops who are under great assault and risk right now, ain't doing much of jack-squat). Bring in other groups like Evangelicals, and anyone else who wants to march to support the Constitution of the USA and Rule of Law.
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So did the Founders. ...Their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor.
Not really "real" jobs. The bulk of notable Founders were not 1%ers, they were the 1/10th of 1%.... very successful, well educated, powerful men. They didn't punch a clock or work for a wage. They created enterprises and wealth. They took risks and succeeded. They were brilliant. They were the Gates, Zuckerberg, and Jobs of their era.... While each worked diligently to be successful, they were the masters of their own time, not 9 to 5ers.
Perhaps with the notable exception of Samuel Adams- a complete failure at everything other than stirring the pot of revolution. He had to borrow a suit to be presentable in public....
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Whatever bro. You clearly got it all figured out.
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Not really "real" jobs. The bulk of notable Founders were not 1%ers, they were the 1/10th of 1%.... very successful, well educated, powerful men. They didn't punch a clock or work for a wage. They created enterprises and wealth. They took risks and succeeded. They were brilliant. They were the Gates, Zuckerberg, and Jobs of their era.... While each worked diligently to be successful, they were the masters of their own time, not 9 to 5ers.
Perhaps with the notable exception of Samuel Adams- a complete failure at everything other than stirring the pot of revolution. He had to borrow a suit to be presentable in public....
The Revolutionary War was not won just by a few dozen wealthy rebel colonists. The ones who did the actual fighting were regular blue-collar men, who I'm sure could have been someplace else making a living, and not risking their lives in battle and risking even their health--suffering frostbite at Valley Forge for example.
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The Revolutionary War was not won just by a few dozen wealthy rebel colonists. The ones who did the actual fighting were regular blue-collar men, who I'm sure could have been someplace else making a living, and not risking their lives in battle and risking even their health--suffering frostbite at Valley Forge for example.
I'm not suggesting otherwise.
My response was to an observation about the Founding Fathers, not the private soldier....
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I'm not suggesting otherwise.
My response was to an observation about the Founding Fathers, not the private soldier....
OK, gotcha.
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The Revolutionary War was not won just by a few dozen wealthy rebel colonists. The ones who did the actual fighting were regular blue-collar men, who I'm sure could have been someplace else making a living, and not risking their lives in battle and risking even their health--suffering frostbite at Valley Forge for example.
I'm not suggesting otherwise.
My response was to an observation about the Founding Fathers, not the private soldier....
What part of lives, fortunes and sacred honor do you not savvy? What, because they didn't flip burgers for a living they don't count?
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The Revolutionary War was not won just by a few dozen wealthy rebel colonists. The ones who did the actual fighting were regular blue-collar men, who I'm sure could have been someplace else making a living, and not risking their lives in battle and risking even their health--suffering frostbite at Valley Forge for example.
If I understand correctly, a lot of those men were also the misfits, muggers, etc - bullies and misfits and farmers and fathers.

Pretty much a cross-section just as happy to fight & loot as fight for Rights. Not a BAD THING, but a factor to process with the data.
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The word "Founders ", capitalized as a proper noun, inferes those notable and significant leaders. This is the common meaning of this word, presented in thsi manner, in this context.

If you meant everyone that fought in the Revolution, from leaders to minions to slaves, specific such.... but that is outside the scope and definition of "Founders"....
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As I suspected.
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I didn't suggest that these socially and financially elite didn't count- to the contrary, they were the foundation upon which the Revolution was built.... but they weren't your average , blue collar, wage earner either.

However, as the norm for their status of the time, they had a great deal of time to dedicate to the Cause. They were not people that had to physically work 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week, to survive and put food on tbe table. They did not collect a daily wage from another- they were the masters of their own enterprises and fortunes. They had the ability to have others manage their affairs and businesses, while they tended the business of building a new Nation. They had the freedom of time, not available to the wage earner, to create the Nation we now enjoy.

How many here, not retired, can walk away from their job for a few years, not draw a paycheck, and sustain their families and properties- to orchestrate an insurrection?

Tbese people were, almost exclusively, multi-millionaires in 2020 dollars... as in net worths of 300, 400,, 500 million dollars. John Hancock was a multi millionaire in 1790 dollars, and worth over 10 BILLION 2020 dollars....
And that was real, tangible wealth- not "investment wealth" in securities that could disappear overnight. It wa sreal property, physical assets, cash money....
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