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Old 06-24-2020, 09:17 AM
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Faced with a determined mob of idiots, anyone is in serious trouble. No matter what action one takes, survival will be difficult. If I were convinced I was not going to make it, I think I would decide to choose how I wasn't going. Since there would by very little (if any) time to think in that situation, my reaction would probably be the result of my mindset.

To me, that seems to be basically the same as facing any life-threatening situation. If survival means having to kill, even if I survived it would probably cost me every material I have. That brings me back to mindset and training.

It appears to me that most people react to a fast-moving situation based on their training (or lack thereof). If a car unexpectedly skids, a driver with advanced driver training tends to have a better chance of survival than one without that training.

A lot of us here go through advanced firearms training. Maybe it is time to think of ways to expand that training to include in-depth de-escalation methods and reacting to being overrun.



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Old 06-24-2020, 10:50 AM
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Speaking of Tucker, he is the only one even on fox giving us the complete picture of what is going on...Dobbs, Hanity, and Laura I., are ok, but don't come close to the insight that Tucker is providing right now. Tucker is very brave to say what he is saying, because no one else is. It is more than the Mob, what makes them so dangerous is because the SWAMP, Lefty, BLM, FBI (he points out that most of the FBI leadership are just enforcers for the Left), justice Department, Judges are all connected. A 2 teared system of justice has emerged, MOB gets the top tear and benefits, the rest of us not so much...Highly recommend watching Tucker.

For example, this animal beating a smaller man and calling the smaller man racial slurs has yet to be charged. Imagine if roles were reversed. 2 tier justice system.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1275029296290168834

As far as the Mob, I will do whatever I need to defend myself and my family by whatever means are at my disposal. And that is based on my God-Given-Rights of LIFE, LIBERTY, and The Pursuit of Happiness...No Lefty Government on earth will tell me what that means when it comes to dealing with those who wish to do us harm.
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Old 06-24-2020, 10:54 AM
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It took a combined and coordinated effort by all of the federal alphabet agencies to retake post Katrina New Orleans. The lawless had seized a police station to gain access to the armory.

The city was virtually deserted so their wasn't a million cellphone cameras to record the blow by blow. There were a few reports that came out. One in particular occurred on a bridge over the Industrial Canal.

Authorities did seize weapons of the law abiding during the recovery. Make no mistake about that. But then there were plenty of mistakes made. The whole fabric of society unravels into desperate survival.

People there still whisper about what it took to take the city back from the brink. The things that happened in the dark of night with no witnesses. It used to be called "kickin azz and taking names" but no names were taken or given in that one.

After the trash had been taken out the blame game began because that's what politicans do. It's all that they can do.

They couldn't have regained control of the city without the same brave men and women that they are now working overtime to prosecute and discredit.

I've seen it and it ain't pretty.
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Old 06-24-2020, 11:41 AM
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Old 06-24-2020, 12:04 PM
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It took a combined and coordinated effort by all of the federal alphabet agencies to retake post Katrina New Orleans. The lawless had seized a police station to gain access to the armory.

The city was virtually deserted so their wasn't a million cellphone cameras to record the blow by blow. There were a few reports that came out. One in particular occurred on a bridge over the Industrial Canal.

Authorities did seize weapons of the law abiding during the recovery. Make no mistake about that. But then there were plenty of mistakes made. The whole fabric of society unravels into desperate survival.

People there still whisper about what it took to take the city back from the brink. The things that happened in the dark of night with no witnesses. It used to be called "kickin azz and taking names" but no names were taken or given in that one.

After the trash had been taken out the blame game began because that's what politicans do. It's all that they can do.

They couldn't have regained control of the city without the same brave men and women that they are now working overtime to prosecute and discredit.

I've seen it and it ain't pretty.
Yeah, most all were relocated, by tax dollars, to Baton Rouge after Katrina. Baton Rouge has never been the same since. I should know, I was there.
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Old 06-29-2020, 01:02 PM
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They often disperse when the first few hit the ground from gunfire.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:40 PM
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Yeah, most all were relocated, by tax dollars, to Baton Rouge after Katrina. Baton Rouge has never been the same since. I should know, I was there.
Pretty sure I remember reading that New Orleans had the highest murder rate in the country before Katrina and after all the murder rates went up for the surrounding cities. Even Dallas went up because a bunch of people were moved there.
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:02 PM
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We lived in Memphis for 30 years before retiring to a community on a big lake three hours away. More than once protestors, thugs, whomever blocked I-40 West out of Memphis. You couldn't escape because the I-40 bridge over the Mississippi was blocked. There's no getting through that unless you're in a tank. Thus, I rarely go back to Memphis and seriously dislike it when I do. If so, I always carry an AR in the vehicle, and bug-out equipment. If the bridge is blocked, there's no way to cross other than a boat or to swim. To bypass the bridge, it would be a very long walk (300-400 miles) home.

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Old 06-29-2020, 08:49 PM
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Not sure if this video has been posted anywhere on the forum... but it sure seems befitting for this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM3gYixeXZA

Couple are personal injury lawyers in St. Louis Mo... they came out of their pricey mansion armed with an AR15 and a pistol. A mob broke through the locked gates of the HOA on their way to the Mayor's home. According to the homeowners, the mob threaten to burn down their home, kill them and their dog.

This is the reason people have the right to AR15's and high cap magazines.

Watch the video.
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:24 PM
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I am thinking these mobs are wanting to provoke someone into a shootout. If multiple protestors were killed there would be an outcry for gun control.
After all these protestors are nice quiet god fearing pillars of the community.
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:26 PM
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I agree. A martyr is powerful.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:06 AM
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Not sure if this video has been posted anywhere on the forum... but it sure seems befitting for this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM3gYixeXZA

Couple are personal injury lawyers in St. Louis Mo... they came out of their pricey mansion armed with an AR15 and a pistol. A mob broke through the locked gates of the HOA on their way to the Mayor's home. According to the homeowners, the mob threaten to burn down their home, kill them and their dog.

This is the reason people have the right to AR15's and high cap magazines.

Watch the video.
..There is a thread in the tactics folder specifically on this...They stood up when the Politicians and Police take a knee...His interview is also posted over there so stop by. The man has his crap together politically, he knows exactly what this is all about, intimidation from the Marxists-Mob.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:44 AM
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Here is an AP article on the incident.

Favorite quote from the article:
"Their attorney, Albert Watkins, told The Associated Press on Monday that the couple are long-time civil rights advocates and support the message of the Black Lives Matter movement."
Gosh, irony is fun!
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:00 AM
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Here is an AP article on the incident.

Favorite quote from the article:
"Their attorney, Albert Watkins, told The Associated Press on Monday that the couple are long-time civil rights advocates and support the message of the Black Lives Matter movement."
Gosh, irony is fun!
The article describes husband and wife as PIP lawyers (ambulance chasers..). They’ll probably end up representing one of the protesters at some point which could fund the restoration of their next mansion..
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Here is an AP article on the incident.

Favorite quote from the article:
"Their attorney, Albert Watkins, told The Associated Press on Monday that the couple are long-time civil rights advocates and support the message of the Black Lives Matter movement."
Gosh, irony is fun!
Reminds me of those two kids shouting out their window and cheering the mob on, the the mob starts throwing rocks through the windows.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:10 AM
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Reminds me of those two kids shouting out their window and cheering the mob on, the the mob starts throwing rocks through the windows.
Yep, hope that was a major red pilling for those kids.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:22 AM
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The Fourth of July was mentioned - previously on other sites it had come up that the protestors were buying up professional-grade fireworks, presumably to use as diversions for their use of firearms in attacking suburban residents.
Then it occurred to me that Jul. 4 would be the time for them to do that, what with its symbolism to people like us and the proliferation of fireworks all over the country that evening. With all the fireworks, even savvy gun owners would hardly know for sure if they're hearing shots in the neighborhood or just firecrackers, etc.
I'd say be on alert on the 4th and on both sides of it for some serious attacks. This is obviously an insurrection so nothing is off the table as far as what they are prepared to do.
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Old 06-30-2020, 01:28 PM
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As was said of a slightly different matter, questions of media vilification and liberal administration prosecution can be left to the dim distant future after you have made your escape by whatever means necessary.

But I am glad to be in a obscure flyover city with no "unrest" beyond a peaceable A1 demonstration against the Confederate monument at the courthouse. So far.
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Old 06-30-2020, 02:38 PM
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The Fourth of July was mentioned - previously on other sites it had come up that the protestors were buying up professional-grade fireworks, presumably to use as diversions for their use of firearms in attacking suburban residents.
Then it occurred to me that Jul. 4 would be the time for them to do that, what with its symbolism to people like us and the proliferation of fireworks all over the country that evening. With all the fireworks, even savvy gun owners would hardly know for sure if they're hearing shots in the neighborhood or just firecrackers, etc.
I'd say be on alert on the 4th and on both sides of it for some serious attacks. This is obviously an insurrection so nothing is off the table as far as what they are prepared to do.
I too am concerned about the baby bolsheviks using July 4 as a "Tet Offensive" and go full out on the suburbs.

As for defending, yeah, we'll be vilified. Look at the lawyer couple. They're getting raked over the hot coals for daring to defend, and they are far, far from the typical "gun owner" in the typical Communist's eyes. Pink shirt, no battle rattle. No beard. Just two people defending their domain.

It's plain -- some people are trying to light off a race war. We can say it. We can stop being PC and say it. The chessmasters want it. The pawns themselves are more than willing.

The only reason that lawyer couple is being targeted by the press is they're rich and white, the very thing the Baby Bolsheviks hate.
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:26 PM
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He's not officially off the hook yet, I think they're trying to railroad him
There have been a number of cases were there was no initial arrest or charges (George Zimmerman being probably the best-known of those), but the prosecutors moved days or weeks afterward.

Almost every time, it was obviously political, on orders from above.

My first thought on being turned loose would be to leave that jurisdiction ASAP, but extradition is just a prosecutor's office minion filling out another form.
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The article describes husband and wife as PIP lawyers (ambulance chasers..). They’ll probably end up representing one of the protesters at some point which could fund the restoration of their next mansion..
... and now that couple which was clearly defending their lives on their homestead property of more than 30 years may be facing criminal charges by the libtard democrap prosecutor.

The St. Louis lawyers who pulled weapons on protesters marching past their home are being investigated for possible criminal charges, the city’s lead prosecutor has revealed.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:07 PM
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You don't defend against a mob. You avoid or flee a mob.
Being out numbered ain't the way to go down.

The Korean merchants in during the LA riots had cover, high ground and firepower on their side. A whole different ball game than being on the ground.

My thoughts, anyway.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:12 PM
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Food for thought.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:47 PM
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... and now that couple which was clearly defending their lives on their homestead property of more than 30 years may be facing criminal charges by the libtard democrap prosecutor.

The St. Louis lawyers who pulled weapons on protesters marching past their home are being investigated for possible criminal charges, the city’s lead prosecutor has revealed.
While I sympathize with them, they should have known better than to point their weapons in the direction of the protesters. Keeping the weapons visible, but slung or holstered would have made a lot more sense. Sadly these two may end up becoming felons just for doing something they thought was within their rights. Of course, being lawyers they should have known what the law was to begin with.
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