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Old 05-04-2020, 10:22 PM
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Colt Magwell

Since this may be an issue unique to this particular 1911, I am posting in the Colt forum. I have the new model Colt Gold Cup Trophy which after about 500 rounds developed a loose magwell. It was tight initially, but now has a bit of side to side looseness. It’s not much, I could easily live with it, but was wondering if there is an easy fix.
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Old 05-04-2020, 11:48 PM
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I had the same problem with one of my Special Combat Governments that was shipped with the same part. It now has a different main spring housing installed.

The problem with that combination MSH / mag well is that it is a two-piece design with no tightening screw. Some type of adhesive in the slot where the two pieces fit together might help.
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Old 05-05-2020, 12:08 AM
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I had the same problem with one of my Special Combat Governments that was shipped with the same part. It now has a different main spring housing installed.

The problem with that combination MSH / mag well is that it is a two-piece design with no tightening screw. Some type of adhesive in the slot where the two pieces fit together might help.
I have never detail stripped the gun, but imagined it might be a dovetail type assembly. If that is the case I was wondering if red locktite in the dovetail might do the trick.
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Old 05-05-2020, 05:53 AM
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following this thread. I have the SCG. I would be very unhappy if the magwell is loose.
I do not know how they are assembled. Dovetail? Glue? I see no screws.
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Old 05-05-2020, 07:33 AM
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following this thread. I have the SCG. I would be very unhappy if the magwell is loose.
I do not know how they are assembled. Dovetail? Glue? I see no screws.
It all depends on which mag well your gun has installed. The most recent SCGs have the same mag well as the current production Gold Cup Trophy. Older SCGs used different mag wells -- often the Smith & Alexander part was used, which is one piece.
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Old 05-05-2020, 07:35 AM
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I have never detail stripped the gun, but imagined it might be a dovetail type assembly. If that is the case I was wondering if red locktite in the dovetail might do the trick.
That is what I was hinting at -- it's probably worth a try.
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Old 05-05-2020, 07:43 AM
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On some forum, maybe this one I seem to remember Colt was using the EGW MSH/magwell.

https://www.egwguns.com/mainspring-h...ombo-25-lpi-ss
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Old 05-05-2020, 10:20 PM
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In a week or so when I’m off work I’ll see what’s going on with it. If I keep the grip safety in place I believe I should be able to just remove the main spring housing.
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Old 05-06-2020, 06:07 AM
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On some forum, maybe this one I seem to remember Colt was using the EGW MSH/magwell.

https://www.egwguns.com/mainspring-h...ombo-25-lpi-ss
That is an interesting magwell. Looks like an easy way to install one.

The SCG magwell looks blended as well.

On another note; Hogue makes an interesting setup. It is a combination of grip stock and MSH. All polymer, but it works as I have that setup on another custom 1911.

Now that I see the EGW setup, I think I will buy the EGW and see how it fits up.
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Old 05-19-2020, 12:24 AM
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Well... after some thought I decided I would prefer the magwell and mainspring housing to be one piece, no joint to loosen. So I have ordered the Chen SI Magwell, to be delivered in a few days. Here’s the problem, while cleaning the pistol this evening I noticed a tiny crack where the trigger guard attaches to the upper front strap. The crack is tiny, maybe 2 to 3 millimeters long. You need a loupe to see it well. Since it’s not at a point of stress, it’s possible it formed during the production of the frame. It may never get worse, but it is a flaw that bothers me now. I’ve had the gun a little over two years now, so I don’t know if Colt would warranty it. I don’t know if I want them to, since to fix this I imagine they would replace the frame/gun. The gun is great, I really don’t want a new gun from Colt. The gun is stainless steel, is this something that can be repaired (welded)? Many things have gone through my mind, one of which would be to send the gun to have custom work done (dehorn, etc...) and have the crack repaired at the same time. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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Old 05-19-2020, 07:34 AM
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Colt Carson, I would certainly approach Colt on whether or not they would fix a two year old forging/frame defect - and, since it is a structural problem, I'll bet they will replace the frame/gun. That would be my first priority. Yes, it probably can be welded up and repaired, but if I had the choice, I would not want to deal with it. Odds are the replacement will be fully acceptable - and it could as well be equal or better, rather than worse.
I would also mention your disappointment with the current supplied magwell - it seems obvious that Colt is using a different vendor than in the past, and the fit is a consequence of the design of the sourced part. Some may be bothered by it, some may not notice or care (level of OCD is very individual to each of us!) - but they should know that not everyone is happily accepting of this change, for their future part sourcing decisions.
The simple fix is what you are doing with the Chen part, although I have never needed anything more exotic than a Smith and Alexander one piece magwell, which, if still available, would be my first choice as I know it is quality and works, for a reasonable price. Personal choice, your dollars. But I would contact Colt. Nothing gets changed at a factory if nobody ever tells them there is a problem. QC suffers from a lack of feedback, and I am quick to (politely) express displeasure if I am sure it is reasonable. Those that just quickly "turn" a gun with a perceived problem rather than sending it back pass the problem on to someone else, and didn't give the maker even a chance to "make it right". And if you said nothing, you are part of the problem, when you could be part of the solution. Loyal customers are honest, polite - and valued. CC
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Old 05-19-2020, 03:48 PM
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Colt Carson, I would certainly approach Colt on whether or not they would fix a two year old forging/frame defect - and, since it is a structural problem, I'll bet they will replace the frame/gun. That would be my first priority. Yes, it probably can be welded up and repaired, but if I had the choice, I would not want to deal with it. Odds are the replacement will be fully acceptable - and it could as well be equal or better, rather than worse.
I would also mention your disappointment with the current supplied magwell - it seems obvious that Colt is using a different vendor than in the past, and the fit is a consequence of the design of the sourced part. Some may be bothered by it, some may not notice or care (level of OCD is very individual to each of us!) - but they should know that not everyone is happily accepting of this change, for their future part sourcing decisions.
The simple fix is what you are doing with the Chen part, although I have never needed anything more exotic than a Smith and Alexander one piece magwell, which, if still available, would be my first choice as I know it is quality and works, for a reasonable price. Personal choice, your dollars. But I would contact Colt. Nothing gets changed at a factory if nobody ever tells them there is a problem. QC suffers from a lack of feedback, and I am quick to (politely) express displeasure if I am sure it is reasonable. Those that just quickly "turn" a gun with a perceived problem rather than sending it back pass the problem on to someone else, and didn't give the maker even a chance to "make it right". And if you said nothing, you are part of the problem, when you could be part of the solution. Loyal customers are honest, polite - and valued. CC
Called Colt, of course had to leave a message. The LGS I purchased the gun through does provide a lifetime warranty, so I do have that to fall back on if Colt sticks to their one year warranty. I was able to get a picture using phone camera through a loupe. The gun is upside down, magazine catch screw on right. Crack is where trigger guard meets frame.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:35 PM
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Colt answered email and sent RMA. However, LGS where I purchased the gun stepped up and said they wanted to take care of it for me. So off to Colt it goes. I’ll provide update whenever this shakes out.
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Old 06-15-2020, 08:41 PM
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Update... Colt received my 1911 the last week of May. They verified the frame was cracked and agreed to replace with new gun. I received the replacement gun today. I had much apprehension about Colt’s customer service due to things I’ve read online. I have to say I am very happy with their customer service in this case. Keep in mind they didn’t have to fix my gun, just replace it but I still feel they were very quick and maintained good communication (email). Overall I am happy with the replacement. Some different things were better on either old or new gun. For instance the roll marks were a little less cratered on the old gun, but slide to frame fit is tighter on the new gun. In fact, this replacement GCT has the tightest slide/frame fit of any Colt I’ve personally held (not that it’s real important). On the important points I would give the new replacement gun the edge. It will be a week or two before I can install the Chen Magwell and make sure it shoots, but I will provide update and pics then.
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Old 06-16-2020, 03:58 AM
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Glad it turned out well - and a replacement was the correct call by Colt Customer Service - cracks only get bigger, and welding hardened/heat treated metal is a crap shoot.

Let us know how it shoots! CC
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:46 AM
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Update... Colt received my 1911 the last week of May. They verified the frame was cracked and agreed to replace with new gun. I received the replacement gun today. I had much apprehension about Coltís customer service due to things Iíve read online. I have to say I am very happy with their customer service in this case. Keep in mind they didnít have to fix my gun, just replace it but I still feel they were very quick and maintained good communication (email). Overall I am happy with the replacement. Some different things were better on either old or new gun. For instance the roll marks were a little less cratered on the old gun, but slide to frame fit is tighter on the new gun. In fact, this replacement GCT has the tightest slide/frame fit of any Colt Iíve personally held (not that itís real important). On the important points I would give the new replacement gun the edge. It will be a week or two before I can install the Chen Magwell and make sure it shoots, but I will provide update and pics then.
Glad it worked out for you.
Curious, I wonder if Colt sent the new gun through the Custom Shop for special attention as to sweeten the customer service.
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Old 06-17-2020, 07:34 PM
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Update... Colt received my 1911 the last week of May. They verified the frame was cracked and agreed to replace with new gun. I received the replacement gun today. I had much apprehension about Colt’s customer service due to things I’ve read online. I have to say I am very happy with their customer service in this case. Keep in mind they didn’t have to fix my gun, just replace it but I still feel they were very quick and maintained good communication (email). Overall I am happy with the replacement. Some different things were better on either old or new gun. For instance the roll marks were a little less cratered on the old gun, but slide to frame fit is tighter on the new gun. In fact, this replacement GCT has the tightest slide/frame fit of any Colt I’ve personally held (not that it’s real important). On the important points I would give the new replacement gun the edge. It will be a week or two before I can install the Chen Magwell and make sure it shoots, but I will provide update and pics then.
Glad it worked out for you.
Curious, I wonder if Colt sent the new gun through the Custom Shop for special attention as to sweeten the customer service.
Not that I know of, I would say I doubt it. I did end up with an extra magazine though.
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:28 PM
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Ok, I was finally able to field strip the new GCT and clean and lube. It’s just something I do with every new gun. I did have to increase extractor tension a bit. Trigger measures 4.3 pounds. The Chen Magwell went on without any problem and fits great. No more looseness or wiggle like the stock two piece magwell/backstrap. I included a pic of the stock assembly to show how it’s constructed. The new one piece Chen unit has a much smoother transition from backstrap to magwell. I’ll let y’all know how it shoots.
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Old 07-07-2020, 11:20 AM
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Old 07-07-2020, 04:44 PM
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I really like the appearance of the Chen one piece magwell. The fit looks to be absolutely perfect!
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Old 07-08-2020, 07:53 AM
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Love my Chen SI Magwell!
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Old 07-08-2020, 10:38 AM
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My Kimber wears a Smith & Alexander one piece MSH and magwell. Not in the same league as a Chen, but still fits really nice and is rock solid.
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