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  #101  
Old 10-11-2010, 04:42 PM
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What the correct grips for for 1947 ser# 33XXX? Brown or black plastic or wood?
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Old 10-11-2010, 08:19 PM
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should be black plastic
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Old 10-12-2010, 12:12 AM
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Old 10-27-2010, 04:09 PM
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1945

I recently picked up picked up an early 1945 gun, Serial 241xx. I need the correct grips, magazine and manual safety.
It came with a nice set of stags and the safety is a Type 6. I have a Type 2 in the parts box but it will not drop in and I don't have time right now to fit it. Also it came with a after market mag.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:59 PM
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Mike: can you post pictures of your recently acquired Sistema pistol? I have not seen one with a low serial number in a very long time. It should be marked on the right side of the slide below the Ejercito Argentino legend "COLT CAL. 45 MOD. 1927 " as those made by Colt are instead of "SIST COLT CAL 11,25mm MOD 1927". Thank you.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:47 AM
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Sistema 1927

It does in fact have those markings. I thought however that Colt's active participation ended before the war and that all Colt manufactured guns had Colt C prefix numbers. I am still learning about these and have Clawson's book inbound as we speak.

I am technically challenged and am unsure how to post pix. If I have to use Photobucket I will have to decline as I understand they are experiencing security issues with mal-ware and viruses.

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Old 10-29-2010, 09:53 PM
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Mike: pistol serial number 241XX is a Sistema Colt, meaning that it was made in Argentina at the Domingo Matheu small arms factory. This is a very early production pistol, actually it is the 1xxth Sistema Colt made. Because of the markings that appear on the right side of the slide, some collectors suspect that the slide could have been purchased from Colt as a spare for the Modelo 1927 pistols (that were acquired in the year 1927) and used at the begining of local manufacture, but this possibility has never been proved as a fact.
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Old 10-30-2010, 07:08 PM
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Thanks for the update Modelo1927. That was my understanding also. Is anyone maintaining or developing a data base of serial numbers, markings etc for these? I think it would be an interesting project. I do the same thing on the SW Forum for new Model #3's one of my other passions.

If no one has taken on the task I would consider doing it if there is an interest and others are willing to share info.

To start the ball rolling mine is in fact serial # 24130, all other markings as described. It is about an 80% gun, no import markings that I can find. It does have some light stippling marks on the right side of the frame around the head of the slide release pin. I guess it was hard to get out and someone tried to drive it out.

By the way I am looking for the original magazine ( needle in the haystack), a correct manual safety and a correct set of grips.

I will bring it to Tulsa next month if anyone is attending.

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Old 11-05-2010, 09:25 AM
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Grips

As I previously said mine 24120 came with stags installed. I thought I was looking for the black plastic checkered that I have seen on most other Sistima 1927's. That said I recently acquired Clawson's book and he states that
" Wooden stocks similar to Balaster-Molina were installed on early pistols".

OK my expert friends does anyone know the range or cut off of these wooden stocks. Also will Balastar-Molina stocks fit and look correct for this application?
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:05 PM
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The grip panels of the Ballester-Molina are not interchangeable with those of the Sistema Colt pistols. I have seen Sistema Colt pistols with wood grip panels with vertical grooves, but serial numbers of these pistols are scattered that do not allow to even guess a cut-off date/year. My feeling is that most likely the wood grip panels, if they indeed were supplied with low serial number Sistema Colt pistols, were replaced in the field by the ubiquitous black thermoset panels.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:44 PM
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Hmm … I recently acquired a 2100-range m1927, but the numbers were mismatched between the side and rear of the frame. Unfortunately, there were no other original parts.
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Old 12-02-2010, 08:18 PM
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Sistima with Wooden grips

I recently purchased a Sistima 1927 first year with the Ballester style grips. Will post pix tomorrow
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Old 12-04-2010, 07:42 PM
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Picture of both first year Sistimas

Picture of both first year Sistimas. 1st is the 129 th gun to leave the factory. 2nd is still first year and with the Ballister type grips described by Clawson. The second has matching everthing the first needs correct grips and the mag. Neither have import marks.




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Old 12-21-2010, 04:48 PM
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Wow guys! I almost traded my 1927 today and was searching the web to get an idea of what it should sell for and found this wonderful forum with a ton of information. I bought my Ejercito Argentino ser# 25xxx in 1989 and only shot it once right after it was purchased. I took it to a gun smith to check it out and he replaced the hammer with a new one but I still have the original. I'm an old guy and what you call "computer challanged" as far as posting pictures. Mine has matching numbers on the slide and frame, but the mag number is in the 39xxx. The grip on the right side is like Mikes picture #3 above but the left side is like pictures #1 &2 only without the diamonds. After reading this tread I've decided to keep it and plan on taking it out to the gun range.

Thanks for the info.
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:52 PM
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Just researching my Sistema Colt and found this web site. Reading several post I can only agree, this is one of the finest hand guns I have fired. My weapon was mfg in 1945 all parts serial #"d same only missing original mag.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:18 PM
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old sistema?

was looking thru the gun safe after reading these descriptions, found my "ejercito argentino, sist. colt cal 11.25, model 1927", 26890. The magazine has the number 25000 on the base plate. 26890 is also on the top of the slide. Left side has dgmf-(fmap). Is this one of the first models? Paid $200 years ago.
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:04 PM
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Actually your Sistema is an early production one. The numbering of the main production series began with serial number 24,001, which means that your Sistema was the 2890th pistol made in Argentina, most likely in 1945. According to you description it bears the second style of Argentine Army marking, which is consistent with the serial number of your Sistema. There are 5 known style of Argentina Army markings.
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:42 PM
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Are these the 5 types? Or there is some one else?


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Old 01-11-2011, 05:45 PM
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Good job! These are indeed the five style of markings that I have seen applied on the right side of the slide of former Argentine Army Sistema Colt pistols. Needless to say, there are other markings, but they pertain to pistols issued to the other Argentine services or to law enforcement/security agencies.
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:29 PM
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Recent Colt Argentine / Sistema Colt Acquisitions

1948 (46XXX): Army "EJERCITO ARGENTINO"

Reblued for sure. Entire barrel from chamber to muzzle is in the white.
Brown wooden grips.

All matching except for magazine. Magazine is un-numbered and has a loop at the bottom. The top part of the magazine was not blued, kind of like the WWI era Colt Magazines.


1959 (102XXX): Navy "MARINA DE GUERRA"

Matte black almost painted finish, possibly re-arsenaled. Not for sure. Chamber is in the white, barrel hood is blued.
Black plastic grips.

I'll post more pics when I get around to taking them.
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:28 PM
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1927-1933 Colt contract?

moved here:

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthre...92#post3057092

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Old 02-17-2011, 03:25 PM
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Anyone here have an all matching Argentinian Airforce ( Aeronautica Argentina) sistema? Were the barrels on these stamped with the same serial as the frame and slide? Or blank?
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:07 PM
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Yes i have one. This one doesn´t have the serial number on the barrel, because is one of the Air Force Sistemas that were "refurbished" in the Halcon Factory (small arms factory) for the Air Force. In this process they changed the barrel and magazines if they need to, and removed the blueing and parkerize then. But you can find parkerized Sistemas with the serial number on the barrel if they were in good condition. Notice that originally ther Air force sistemas left the Military Factory Blued like all the other sistemas and also not all the Air Force sistemas were refurbished.

This is mine and was unused after the refurbishing.
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:18 PM
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My 1935 Commercial Colt Marina Argentina GM with matching frame and slide serials. Arsenal rebuild and park'd.
Nicely fitted and shoot great.









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Old 02-22-2011, 05:04 PM
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Re: Navy Argie Colt

Nice pistol, I have been looking for a Navy Sistema for quite awhile & you come up with a Argie Navy that is a COLT!
I am jealous.
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