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Old 03-01-2007, 06:59 PM
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Finish type?

Not sure,but appears to be hot blue,would need side/side comparisons in order for me to tell.

Stumpy
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Old 07-17-2007, 09:13 AM
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Where Is Mr. Gherovici?

butchblosc,

I sent a letter to Mr. Alex Gherovici at P. O. Box 58506, Philadelphia, PA 19102 request information on how to purchase his book Military Pistols of Argentina. I just go my letter back marked "Return To Sender Unable To Deliver As Addressed". I printed the envelope from my computer so I know they could read address. Just wondering if you or anyone else has alternate contact information for Mr. Gherovici?
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:50 PM
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Boy, it sure looks like the prices have started to go through the roof on these Sistemas since the thread was originally posted in 2004! There was an Air Force issued pistol with a good amount of holster wear (non-matching mag, but no import marks) at the gun show that was on consignment for $625, but I managed to talk them down to $500 after much haggling; another Navy issued pistol in a little better shape was marked at $800 because of its apparent scarcity. I thought that I paid too much, but tried to justify it because I've always wanted a 45 with character; after doing some online research after gettin home, it turns out that I didn't do too badly

Seeing stumpy's unfired example, however, makes me want to send it off to Robar to get a Roguard finish!!

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Old 05-19-2008, 06:29 PM
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I just found a Sistema (manufactured 1950) that had been stored in a barn for the past 30 years. It's in excellent condition and all original with the original magazine.




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Old 01-29-2009, 04:34 PM
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I need some help guys. A friend has what I believe is a Sistema - SN 34964 is marked on the right side of the frame like the picture above. Coloration is the same.

Here's the problem. He bought a Colt .22 conversion kit years ago. During a move, the bag containing the slides and other .45 specific parts was lost.

Can anyone recommend some possible sources to replace the slide/barrel, etc?

I'll post pics later - I'm at work and have meetings tonight so it might take a day or so.

Thanks!!

Mark
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Old 01-29-2009, 04:42 PM
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The Sistema is virtually identical to the Colt 1911A1. I would think any aftermarket slide and barrel would work fine with the Sistema frame that you have. It just wouldn't be an original Sistema anymore. You can find slides and barrels made by many manufacturers in Brownell's catalog, or on their website.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:01 AM
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I bought mine--my first 1911--back in '01 for $299. It was manufactured in '56. I was unsure about the purchase at the time but I am very glad I did. An excellent pistol all the way around.
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:55 AM
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Acquired an Argentine 11.25 mm Pistol today, and am finding the Slide Roll nominclature to differ from those mentioned in the Article.


Can not post images presently, but, right side of Slide says -

EJERCITO ARGENTINO, preceded by a small Argentine Crest.



Left side of Slide says -


PISTOLA AUTOMATICA 11.25 mm FABRICADA POR "HAFDASA"

PATENTES INTERNATIONALES "BALLISTER-MOLINA"

INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA



This pistol has no Grip Safety.


Mainspring Houseing is solid and continuous with the Reveiver, and not removable...and has flat sides.

On the flat edge/side of this Housing is stamped the numerals 64809

This numeral sequence appears also on the underside of the Slide.



Otherwise, the Pistol has stamped onto the Frame, Barrel, Slide (top at rear,) and Magazine, the numerals 31432



Anyone know why these two sets of Numbers?


And or which was the Manufacturer's Serial Number assignment, and which, an Army assignment?

Scales/Stocks are Walnut with thin vertical grooves.


Has inturrupted Slide Serrations, being teo sets of three, and a set of two at the rear...whose spaced beteen would have held two serrations each.


Any insight or info would be appreciated...


Thanks!



Edit:


The one shown here appears to be the same -

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976712687...ter_Molina.htm




Oh...found this -

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/ballester.htm


Cool..! It's a 'Hispano Suiza'..!!




Phil

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Old 03-24-2009, 08:25 PM
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1927 Sistema s/n76267 LNIB w 3 matching mags

Hello

I am looking at a 1927 Sistema s/n76267 LNI original box with 3 matching magazines. I have not seen the piece but it along with a couple other 1911a1's were shipped to me today for inspection. This is coming from an old collection. If this description is accurate what would it be worth?
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:52 PM
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"If this description is accurate what would it be worth?" I believe I saw one similar to that sell a few years ago at an auction for about $1500. Something in like new in box with three mags would be like hens teeth, very scarce. Best Karl
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:59 PM
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I have one I picked up for $250 but has those awful looking importer stamps in the front of the slide. I was going to fill them in and refinish it, but a few people mantioned you aren't supposed to do this? Its just a company name. I also added left handed (well, ambi) controls to the slide, safety & mag release. The original mag will not drop out. I thought the fame may be squashed, but the $6 colt ones from the gunshow drop right out.
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:53 PM
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Anyone heard of a "Hispano Argentino Fabricade Automoviles, Model D.G.F.M.( F.M.A.P.) 22cal Semi-Auto Pistol w/safety grip"?

Here are some pics



Not familiar with this particular Argy or the .22 caliber version.

Thanks

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Old 06-06-2009, 03:44 AM
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I own two of the 1927 Colt Argentine Pistols, both are 4 digit serials, les than 300 pistols from the end of the run.

I am restoring one of them to replace my 1917 production 1911 which is my currently my on-duty sidearm...Robert
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:05 PM
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I just found a Sistema (manufactured 1950) that had been stored in a barn for the past 30 years. It's in excellent condition and all original with the original magazine.




That is the exact look and finish of my issued weapon from the late 80's, early 90's.

Incredible shape BTW
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Old 03-13-2010, 04:20 AM
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colt 1911 POLICIA MARITIMA

Hello,I don t speek english because i am french!ave you got a information please for this gun
NUMBER: C 179881
Thanks
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:18 PM
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Sistema

mine
1946
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Old 05-01-2010, 10:42 PM
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Found this original ad in Guns & Ammo from April 1969.
Only $79.95! I'll take 10 please!
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:12 PM
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Hello,I don t speek english because i am french!ave you got a information please for this gun
NUMBER: C 179881
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That is a nice find.

The Policia Maritima does not exist anymore, and now is the Prefectura Naval Argentina (Coast Guard)
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:58 PM
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I picked this one up a few days ago. The thumb safety I replaced. The one it came with was very loose the slightest upward pressure engaged it. So I swapped it out. It has a sprayed on finnish that I would like to remove. Any suggestions? It has a few dings but I like it alot better than the SA WWII Mil-spec that I had. I added the grips. It came with brown plastic grips. Didn't like them at all. Looks like it was made in 1959ish by this threads earlier post.
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Old 06-04-2010, 08:26 PM
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Here is my first Colt.
It came with grips that weren't original, but I was fortunate enough to get a set off ebay. I cleaned up the grips and snapped a couple pics.




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VP stamped frame. Ser# under the mainspring housing.
RA stamped slide, hammer, and mainspring housing

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Old 07-18-2010, 08:16 PM
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Anyone know if JLD is still selling the Sistemas?
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Old 07-18-2010, 11:08 PM
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They are not.
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Old 07-18-2010, 11:44 PM
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any other sources out there then that sell them? (other than gunbroker and Auction Arms)????
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Old 07-18-2010, 11:58 PM
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The last batch that came in were being sold through Lipsky's (?) and from what I saw and heard from others were the bottom of the barrel. They were cheap enough but really sucky. They had large import stamps on the slide that really hurt their appearance and value IMO. Now, the price seems to have stabilized on them and is getting up there with many low end USGI pistols. This is especially true of those marked for the Argentine Navy and Air Force as those are basically the hardest to come by.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:49 AM
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any other sources out there then that sell them? (other than gunbroker and Auction Arms)????
i searched for a few months looking but never found any source for them.

you have to browse forums that allow sales of pistols
watch gunbroker, auction arms, and gunsamerica

also hit up the brick and mortar gun/pawn shops in your area
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