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Old 05-24-2018, 08:25 PM
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Should have added photo:



Only recently acquired this example, image is from seller's ad.
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:07 AM
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OK that didn't work!

Its here:

http://www.acant.org.au/Firearms/Sis...CFS_A81785.jpg
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:21 PM
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How do. I just got a c.f.s. sistema. It is no 81124, no import marks, fair condition. Unfortunately somebody opened up the ejection port not all that great but fixable. At least they stoped cutting right above the c.f.s. marks. Ha. Other than that its a right nice example of history. Wish i hadent paid what i did, but ill get over it.
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:39 PM
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This is Barry, last post was wrong. Found import marks under some crud just ahead of the slide lock. Tiny little words. Cant even read em. Nicest import marks ive ever seen! Or hardly seen in this case. Happy shootin yall
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Old 04-28-2019, 12:51 AM
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A80587

I bought this one. Thoughts on the origin of the finish? No arsenal rework marks (I've never seen those on an actual gun). Cold blue? Wore out? Gunbroker pic
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:25 AM
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Long Overdue Update

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.


A80587 -- Reported by "Friendlyone" as being on GB
A80601-18 (Mine) -- This one pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.

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A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A 80743 (formerly owned by board member "co-van")
**

These post-date the CFS serial numbers listed by Clawson, strongly indicating that there was more than one shipment thus marked:
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81124 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/638848540 (reported by "Doran")
bought by "Bearzgunz74" below
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81216 "Friendlyone" (see below)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)
A81785 "Marrakai" (see below)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108634 - Reported by "Baby Face 1911"
108844 - Fredh46 (see below)
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted
109717 - Owned by "Baby Face 1911 (reported in this thread)

Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Systema **
Ballester-Molina
Ballaster **

** included because they are common misspellings

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"Friedlyone" Posted:
Add my CFS marked to the list:
Near mint condition.
Serial Number: A81216

Purchased from an Army vet who served in Argentina in the 60's; who befriended an Argentine Diplomat who it was issued to.

Not sure what deal he made with him, but brought it back to the US; no import marks and with original holster.

Regards,

Graham.
Texas

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Fredh46 Posted:
I have a Ballester-Molina C.F.S. serial 108844

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Reported by "Friendlyone"
One on GB right now: A80587
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747713644

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"Marrakai"
Looks like my example might be the highest s/n so far:
A81785
All matching numbers including mag.

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Bearzgunz78
How do. I just got a c.f.s. sistema. It is no 81124, no import marks, fair condition. Unfortunately somebody opened up the ejection port not all that great but fixable. At least they stopped cutting right above the c.f.s. marks. Ha. Other than that its a right nice example of history. Wish i hadn't paid what i did, but ill get over it.
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Old 11-29-2019, 09:38 PM
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CFS Argentine

Hi! I just aquired A81233! Itís parkerized. Any ideas?
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:37 PM
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Long Overdue Update - December 12, 2019

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.


A80587 -- Reported by "Friendlyone" as being on GB - later reported by Desert-rat. This one pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.
A80601-18 (Mine) -- This one also pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.
A80619 - OldSteelGuns.com -- This one also pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.

**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A 80743 (formerly owned by board member "co-van")
**

These post-date the CFS serial numbers listed by Clawson, strongly indicating that there was more than one shipment thus marked:
A80810 https://lugerman.com/product/colt-19...tema-1927-cfs/ This one appears to be in excellent condition, but may be refinished. Being advertised as a "Secret Police" gun, in spite of the CFS not being the secret police (it's a long story).
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81124 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/638848540 (reported by "Doran") (Reported bought by Bearzgunz)
bought by "Bearzgunz74" below
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81216 "Friendlyone" (see below)
A81233 (Chuck M.)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)
A81785 "Marrakai" (see below)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
107913 - CFS over Policia Federal (Reported by Doran on GunBroker)
108634 - Reported by "Baby Face 1911"
108844 - Fredh46 (see below)
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted
109717 - Owned by "Baby Face 1911 (reported in this thread)

Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Systema **
Ballester-Molina
Ballaster **

** included because they are common misspellings

------------------------

"Friedlyone" Posted:
Add my CFS marked to the list:
Near mint condition.
Serial Number: A81216

Purchased from an Army vet who served in Argentina in the 60's; who befriended an Argentine Diplomat who it was issued to.

Not sure what deal he made with him, but brought it back to the US; no import marks and with original holster.

Regards,

Graham.
Texas

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Fredh46 Posted:
I have a Ballester-Molina C.F.S. serial 108844

-----

Reported by "Friendlyone"
One on GB right now: A80587
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747713644

-----

"Marrakai"
Looks like my example might be the highest s/n so far:
A81785
All matching numbers including mag.

-----

Bearzgunz78
How do. I just got a c.f.s. sistema. It is no 81124, no import marks, fair condition. Unfortunately somebody opened up the ejection port not all that great but fixable. At least they stopped cutting right above the c.f.s. marks. Ha. Other than that its a right nice example of history. Wish i hadn't paid what i did, but ill get over it.

-----

Doran spotted this Ballester Molina on GunBroker:

serial 107913
C.F.S. (over)
POLICIA FEDERAL

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Old 12-09-2019, 11:44 PM
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Hi! I just aquired A81233! Itís parkerized. Any ideas?
It appears that Argentina parkerized a small number of their Navy (Marina) Sistema Colt and Ballester-Molina firearms in late '70s, but then refurbished and parkerized a very large number of handguns in the 1980s.

While not verified as fact, the timing makes it seem very likely that the Malvinas Islands war with Great Britain was a wake-up call that their arms inventory was degraded and outdated. Their short-term solution was to overhaul what they had on hand. Their longer-term solution was to liquidate their older inventory (mostly to U.S. buyers, but also some to Germany and other countries) and use the revenue to purchase and manufacture more modern handguns -- like the Browning Hi Powers that were made in Belgium, then manufactured in Argentina under license to FN Herstal.
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Old 12-10-2019, 10:06 PM
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Nice! Thanks for the info!
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