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Old 10-23-2016, 01:08 PM
Machodoc Machodoc is offline
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Argentine M27 "A Series" Marked with "C.F.S."

These guns were discussed in another thread some time ago, but I thought it might be good to revive that thread with new info. It would also be useful to compile a list of known guns of this type.


"Matyoka" posted this about a year ago [https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=107208]:

"If Clawson's CFS was A 80736 and according to his book there were only 100 made... than something is off. We have A81302, A81155 and Clawson's was A80736. Found pictures of A81761 and A80990 as well... Unless they numbered the pistols randomly and not by following serials, there are many more out there than 100. My Argentinian source who also has a perfect C.F.S. in his collection implied that there were several hundred of these built."

Let's start a list, and see if we can get enough data to sort out the serial number range(s) and production numbers for this gun, but first let me try to clear up some of the confusion ... and total BS ... about these firearms that can be found on the internet:

First of all, C.F.S. is the acronym for the Consejo Federal de Seguridad. That translates to Fedederal Council for/of Security. This was a short-lived council. It was formed by Juan Peron in 1951, then dissolved in 1956 when he was ousted.

You'll find lots of references to this being Juan Peron's secret police, most likely encouraged by importers to make them seem more desirable, but was the C.F.S. Peron's secret police? Well, no ... and yes ... kinda-sorta. Here's the deal:

When Peron took power in Argentina, he "legally" (at least, openly) consolidated all of the forces in the country that had police powers by placing them under the umbrella of a new council--the Consejo Federal de Seguridad. He did this under law No. 14.701. A list of the organizations that fell under the C.F.S. can be found below. Who was the head of this newly-created council? Peron himself, of course. That put him in charge of all of the policing bodies in the country.

What's more, the policing bodies no longer could be held acountable for anything in a civil court. The only way that a police agency (or member of one) could be charged with, or convicted of, any wrongdoing had to be through another policing agency (or someone within the same agency where the crime was allegedly committed). Needless to say, that gave all of the policing agencies within the CFS a free pass to act with impunity ... and they often did. They became rather untouchable, and that permitted some grievous abuses of power.

In short, the CFS, in itself, was not Peron's secret police, and it wasn't a secret*, but there's no doubt that those who made up the secret police only answered to various members of the CFS, and therefore anwered indirectly to Peron. [*If you are going to have a secret police, would you have a manufacturer put the name of that group on a gun? That's not a good way to keep a secret.]

Anyway, in addition to the "A Series" CFS M27 Sistemas, Ballester-Molina pistols and various Argentine rifles have been noted with CFS markings. Many of the rifles and Ballester-Molinas with the "CFS" were originally marked for one of the agencies under the council's umbrella, but were over-stamped with CFS. It would appear that only the M27 Sistemas were purpose-built specifically to be C.F.S. handguns.

All of this begs the question, "Who carried these firearms?" The answer is that we don't yet know for sure. It may have been senior members of the council, a special guard unit assigned to protect members of the council, or something else entirely. I personally suspect that it was a combination of the above.

In any case, the marking is only rarely found.

=========================

Let's take a look at the "A Series" M27s that are marked with "C.F.S."

My A80601 CFS-marked M1927 also has the number "18" stamped off to the right of, and slightly lower than, the serial number. This serial number pre-dates the two ranges provided by "Martin Sappettini" (see below), suggesting that there may have been a smaller initial batch that was given unit or issue numbers, followed by one, or two (or more), larger batches. It's also the earliest serial number that I have seen so far.

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported:

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)


"Dentro de la orbita del Ministerio del Interior,por ley No.14.701 , se creo la hoy defunta organizacion,bajo la presidencia de peron en 1951.Sus miembros fueron el Director General del Registro Nacional de las Personas,Policia Federal.Gendarmeria,Perfectura Nacional Maritima,y un delegado por cada una de las policias de las provincias y territorios nacionales.Su mision era la de coordinar y armonizar el trabajo administrativo de lass fuerzas policiales envueltas.Durante su existencia,la
perfectura nacional maritima ,fue re-nombrada a Policia Maritima.El Gobierno Revolucionario Militar de 1955,destrono al presidente peron,y
disolvio el Consejo Federal de Seguridad por decreto No.2.444/56.-----
Atte...sargento

PD/ Ese Organismo Oficial,creo que tendria el peso de un "pequeño"
ministerio y por lo tanto se le asignó una determinada cantidad de armamento.En carabinas de Caballeria,se les asigno una partida de 1.200
Carabinas y lo mismo que una cantida "XXX" de pistolas.-Estas armas,
nada tienen que ver con las Naciones Unidas ni nada tienen que ver con
organizaciones fuera del territorio nacional.-


te confirmo que C.F.S. es Consejo Federal de Seguridad. La fuente es un extenso artículo en la edición de la revista Magnum de Agosto de 2003.

Saludos!!
cOPIADO DE UN POSTEO DE FA
SLDS
LOGUS
" [http://www.elrincondeltirador.com/vi...3605&start=20]

Also, "Hognfrog" posted this in another thread on this forum (but it doesn't account for my A80601):

"A member on another forum was kind enough to do some research into the "A" prefix to the serial number on my latest Sistema.
I must credit "Martin Sappettini" for this information and publicly thank him for his time and effort to resolve the "Mystery" behind the "A" in the Serial Number.

Martin found, by checking with other 1911 collectors from Argentina that 2 shipments were sent to C.F.S. (Consejo Federal de Seguridad) in 1954.
The first shipment was Serial numbers A80724 to A80823 (a shipment of 100 Sistema's) and a second shipment of 100 Sistema's Serial numbers A81051 to A81150. These were both shipped in 1954 according to his information. The C.F.S. was created in 1951 and dissolved in 1966.

So it seems I [Hognfrog] & Handy4410 each have 1 of the 200 pistols especially marked and sent to C.F.S.
"
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:32 AM
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I have one with serial number
A80893 . I bought it about 15 years ago. Starting to feel I should not shoot it anymore if it's that rare.

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Old 11-06-2016, 12:38 AM
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Update to the list ...

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Originally Posted by Machodoc View Post

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported:

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts)
A80893 (Mentioned in this thread by Johnsjjpei)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:41 PM
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UPDATE -- new info and two guns added

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

Ballester-Molina (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)

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Old 11-08-2016, 09:34 PM
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UPDATE -- one gun added

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

Ballester-Molina (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:28 AM
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Machodoc,

Thanks for keeping this updated. I encourage you to solicit and start adding the Ballester-Molinas. Aren't they of equal interest?
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:42 PM
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Machodoc,

Thanks for keeping this updated. I encourage you to solicit and start adding the Ballester-Molinas. Aren't they of equal interest?
Absolutely! I just had to start somewhere, and I haven't found that many Ballester-Molinas with the CFS markings, so far. I don't have a large enough sampling to make any statements about the differences, but it is beginning to look as if the Sistemas were marked with just the CFS stamp from the factory, and the Ballester-Molinas may have been stamped from among guns that were already part of different military and police arsenals--ones bearing the markings of those authorities.
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:02 PM
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UPDATE -- auction link added

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

Ballester-Molina (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:47 AM
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UPDATE -- Additional Sistema and Ballester-Molinas added (Thanks, Doran!)

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted


Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Ballester-Molina

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Old 11-21-2016, 08:35 PM
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UPDATE -- Another Sistema added (Thanks, Doran!)

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (mine)
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted


Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Ballester-Molina
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Old 11-22-2016, 04:02 PM
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UPDATE --

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (mine)
**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
**
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted


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cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Ballester-Molina[/QUOTE]
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UPDATE -- Added some links
Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (Mine)
**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
**
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted


Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Ballester-Molina

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Old 12-08-2016, 12:48 AM
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UPDATE -- Added another Sistema serial number. Thanks, Doran and Co-Van.

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (Mine) -- This one pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.

**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A 80743 (formerly owned by board member "co-van")
**

These post-date the CFS serial numbers listed by Clawson, strongly indicating that there was more than one shipment thus marked:
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted


Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Ballester-Molina

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Old 12-23-2016, 08:20 AM
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I have a CFS marked Molina made 1953. One of the last made Molina's. Ser.109717 last of special CFS order. And Molina production.
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Old 12-26-2016, 07:12 AM
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Last of 5000 C.F.S. order of Molina's. Few made it here since most were used up and taken home when retired. These were well made like prewar Colts. Note in the Argentina military pistol book the C.F.S. ser.#103,765 and mine is 109,717 range! Very late production.

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Old 12-26-2016, 11:57 AM
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UPDATE -- Added another Sistema serial number. Thanks, Baby Face 1911.

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (Mine) -- This one pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.

**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A 80743 (formerly owned by board member "co-van")
**

These post-date the CFS serial numbers listed by Clawson, strongly indicating that there was more than one shipment thus marked:
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted
109717 - Owned by "Baby Face 1911 (reported in this thread)

Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Systema **
Ballester-Molina
Ballaster **

** included because they are common misspellings

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Old 12-26-2016, 06:44 PM
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This C.F.E. contract Molina 11.25mm has the Argentina made Cockade magazine. Here is the Cockade marking. I know of one more ser.#108634 C.F.S.
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UPDATE -- Added another Sistema serial number. Thanks, Baby Face 1911.

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (Mine) -- This one pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.

**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A 80743 (formerly owned by board member "co-van")
**

These post-date the CFS serial numbers listed by Clawson, strongly indicating that there was more than one shipment thus marked:
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108634 - Reported by "Baby Face 1911"
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted
109717 - Owned by "Baby Face 1911 (reported in this thread)

Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Systema **
Ballester-Molina
Ballaster **

** included because they are common misspellings
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Old 12-31-2016, 08:24 AM
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https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...-this-old-gun/. Part of that era and history!
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Overall, that's a very good video. I wish that people thinking about advertising one of those guns for sale would watch it. Too many people get the Ballester-Molina and the M1927 Sistema Colt mixed up. Also, as stated in the video, the mechanism of the B-M is similar to the Star P ... not the Star B, as you'll find stated all over the internet.

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UPDATE -- Added another Sistema serial number. Thanks, Doran

Here are the guns that have been identified and/or reported. The production run for 1954, when the CFS was established, was reportedly 80,156 - 85,155, so all of those listed so far would have been early 1954.

A80601-18 (Mine) -- This one pre-dates the CFS marked Sistemas listed by Clawson.

**
A80736 (RIA Auction from Clawson's estate--featured in a photo in his book on Commercial Colts) (http://www.icollector.com/Documented...on-s_i17958831)
A 80743 (formerly owned by board member "co-van")
**

These post-date the CFS serial numbers listed by Clawson, strongly indicating that there was more than one shipment thus marked:
A80893 http://www.armslist.com/posts/607392...-cfs-stamped--
A80965 (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...situation.html)
A80990 ("SigArms226"?) (GunAuction April 26, 2009) (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9089825)
A81116 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1242662)
A81124 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/638848540 (reported by "Doran")
A81143 (mentioned in M1911.org posting) (http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...litary-pistols)
A81155 (FredH46)
A81185 (reported by "Doran" to have been seen at the Tulsa show in 2005)
A81302 ("Echoes of Glory" gun auction 5/30/2015)
A81312 (Reportedly seen at Tulsa gun show in 2004)
A81742 ("deactivated" gun w/German proofs, U.K. auction) (http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/de...prod_4212.html)
A81761 (Adrian Burgos, on Full Aventura website)

** Charles Clawson identified records for one shipment of 100 Sistemas that were specifically to be marked with "CFS". They were serial nos. 80724-80823. You will see that there were guns marked that was that came before and after the series noted by Clawson.

Ballester-Molina Marked with C.F.S.

106677 - Reported by "Doran" -- refinished, belonged to a friend, and he doesn't recall any other agency stamp being present
107484 - http://www.empirearms.com/107484.jpg CFS over Policia Federal
108634 - Reported by "Baby Face 1911"
108964 - (http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7089666)
109027 - Reported by "Doran" -- no other agency stamp noted
109717 - Owned by "Baby Face 1911 (reported in this thread)

Search terms also:
CFS
cfs
C.F.S.
c.f.s.
Sistema
Systema **
Ballester-Molina
Ballaster **

** included because they are common misspellings
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:58 PM
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Add my CFS marked to the list:
Near mint condition.
Serial Number: A81216

Purchased from an Army vet who served in Argentina in the 60's; who befriended an Argentine Diplomat who it was issued to.

Not sure what deal he made with him, but brought it back to the US; no import marks and with original holster.

Regards,

Graham.
Texas
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:06 PM
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I have a Ballester-Molina C.F.S. serial 108844
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:27 PM
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One on GB right now: A80587
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747713644
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Looks like my example might be the highest s/n so far:

A 81785

All matching numbers including mag.
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