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Old 01-02-2020, 05:37 PM
mtime7 mtime7 is offline
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Interesting CMP pic

someone got this from CMP, Rack Grade, stippled grip.

someone else commented that they saw Delta carrying similar stippled 1911's in Grenada, what do you guys think? My first thoughts were that it was a match gun, that made the transition back.

https://imgur.com/a/Jgci6dV
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Old 01-02-2020, 06:01 PM
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Weird.
But if it's was mine, I'd slowly tig new metal on and mill the front strap, back to spec.
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Old 01-02-2020, 07:53 PM
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I have a 1913 Colt frame that looks very similar to that. Was found with ‘50s slide and NM barrel
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:13 PM
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with the stippling and those walnut grips, I bet you that was a National Match pistol. I wonder if the barrel is a NM? either way, that perfectly fits the description of a 50's or 60's National Match Pistol. I definitely wouldn't mind if I got that one.
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:21 PM
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I heard of at least two rack grades like this, my number is coming up in a few thousand, I was going to ask for Field grade, but I see this and am thinking rack grade. My guess is they are rack grade because of the stippling, but what a bargain at $850

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Old 01-02-2020, 09:32 PM
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I heard of at least two rack grades like this, my number is coming up in a few thousand, I was going to ask for Field grade, but I see this and am thinking rack grade. My guess is they are rack grade because of the stippling, but what a bargain at $850
I agree.
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Old 01-03-2020, 10:31 AM
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It's not remotely close to being a USGI National Match pistol. The slide is a non hardened, unmodified, WWII Remington Rand slide , the front strap stippling was not performed by Springfield Arsenal (SA), the trigger is a typical stamped trigger, etc., etc.
1954-1956 USGI NM pistols had standard surfaced front straps, in 1957-1958, Springfield Arsenal applied neoprene pads to the front strap and from 1959-1968 the front straps were milled. Front straps were not stippled by SA.
The 1950s USGI NM pistols and the 1960's USGI NM pistols are very different weapons. Slides, sights, triggers, barrels, barrel bushings, markings, so on and so on. There is a long list of variations.
Finally, there were any number of post, camp and station armorers who worked on, modified pistols for local competitions in the 50s and 60s. The OPs pistol may be one of those.
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Old 01-03-2020, 10:46 AM
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It's not remotely close to being a USGI National Match pistol.
Finally, there were any number of post, camp and station armorers who worked on, modified pistols for local competitions in the 50s and 60s. The OPs pistol may be one of those.
To add to that, they also used all NM parts as noted by filson. The only thing I see similar to the OP post is the stippling. Here is one, sorry I can’t rotate it!
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:20 AM
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Finally, there were any number of post, camp and station armorers who worked on, modified pistols for local competitions in the 50s and 60s. The OPs pistol may be one of those.[/QUOTE]



This is what I was thinking, when I said match pistol
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Old 01-03-2020, 12:35 PM
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Finally, there were any number of post, camp and station armorers who worked on, modified pistols for local competitions in the 50s and 60s. The OPs pistol may be one of those.
This.

I’ve seen Berettas setup for local matches, not really “national match” stuff, just rack grade with whatever the armorer could do with what he had around him. I think that’s a great find and I would be proud to have one knowing there’s some history and mystery there
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Old 01-03-2020, 05:37 PM
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See if you can return to the CMP for a better grade pistol.
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Old 01-03-2020, 05:50 PM
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For reference, a correct USGI National Match pistol, 1961 version.
1945 Remington Rand frame/slide, first year for adjustable sights, matching serial numbered NM barrel, slide and frame. Proper T (Tested) stamp to the rear of the right trigger guard, NM marked trigger guard, SA rebuild stamp, milled front strap, aluminum trigger, NM barrel bushing, walnut stocks and on the left side of the frame the appropriate "punch" mark above the magazine release. Refinished slide and frame exactly the same color and texture.
For those who are interested in authentic USGI match pistols, see Bill Jenkins, "U.S. Military Match and Marksmanship Automatic Pistols", 2005. It is a superb reference
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Old 01-04-2020, 01:15 AM
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It's not remotely close to being a USGI National Match pistol. The slide is a non hardened, unmodified, WWII Remington Rand slide , the front strap stippling was not performed by Springfield Arsenal (SA), the trigger is a typical stamped trigger, etc., etc.
1954-1956 USGI NM pistols had standard surfaced front straps, in 1957-1958, Springfield Arsenal applied neoprene pads to the front strap and from 1959-1968 the front straps were milled. Front straps were not stippled by SA.
The 1950s USGI NM pistols and the 1960's USGI NM pistols are very different weapons. Slides, sights, triggers, barrels, barrel bushings, markings, so on and so on. There is a long list of variations.
Finally, there were any number of post, camp and station armorers who worked on, modified pistols for local competitions in the 50s and 60s. The OPs pistol may be one of those.

I guess I used improper terminology, but I didn't necessarily mean that it was modified for use as a USGI National Match Pistol at a Military Arsenal. What I meant to suggest, is that it was modified to be used as a match shooting pistol. Military, civilian, who knows? I just meant it was modified for match shooting. Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.
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Old 01-04-2020, 11:21 AM
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I don't think there is anything "match" about it. Somebody stippled the frontstrap for a better grip in adverse conditions.
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Old 01-04-2020, 12:56 PM
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I guess I used improper terminology, but I didn't necessarily mean that it was modified for use as a USGI National Match Pistol at a Military Arsenal. What I meant to suggest, is that it was modified to be used as a match shooting pistol. Military, civilian, who knows? I just meant it was modified for match shooting. Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.
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By no means are my feathers ruffled. Believe me, I've been "counseled" on this site for a wide range of things. The audience is usually quick to make corrections and that's ok. I try and put my sensitivities away.
There is a wealth of information available here. And misinformation, disinformation as well. One of the ways I learn is by challenging the assertion. That was my intent in this case.
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Old 01-04-2020, 01:06 PM
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Sir
By no means are my feathers ruffled. Believe me, I've been "counseled" on this site for a wide range of things. The audience is usually quick to make corrections and that's ok. I try and put my sensitivities away.
There is a wealth of information available here. And misinformation, disinformation as well. One of the ways I learn is by challenging the assertion. That was my intent in this case.
understood. no worries.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:37 PM
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I don't think there is anything "match" about it. Somebody stippled the frontstrap for a better grip in adverse conditions.
That is the other thought in my first post, "Who would be allowed to do such things?" As someone on the CMP forum stated, that he saw Delta carrying 1911's with front straps stippled this way for Just Cause
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