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Old 12-21-2019, 10:39 PM
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Old 12-21-2019, 10:47 PM
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Old 12-22-2019, 12:13 PM
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Although this has been related before...; on several occasions throughout many OIF deployments I encountered claims that a "Singer!" had been captured. (Recall that tons of weapons of any and all types were recovered in Mess-O-potamia)
All Singer claims I'm aware of turned out to be 'US&S' aka Union Switch & Signal.
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Old 12-22-2019, 01:25 PM
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Although this has been related before...; on several occasions throughout many OIF deployments I encountered claims that a "Singer!" had been captured. (Recall that tons of weapons of any and all types were recovered in Mess-O-potamia)
All Singer claims I'm aware of turned out to be 'US&S' aka Union Switch & Signal.
I guess it would really suck to capture a completely intact Singer and have no choice but to add it to the pile of weapons to be destroyed.
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Old 12-23-2019, 08:53 AM
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If anyone could do it, it would be Gordon...

Stan,
If anyone could do it, it would be Gordon...
The first group of Navy pistols, when examples have been observed by me, seem to mostly have the later dull finish. However since finding any example from the first two groups is extremely rare, generalizing about them from a few examples is a fools errand. The three examples I have owned were from the second group, but one of them was a rust bucket and I no longer have it. Several others I have observed were refinished at least once and thus conveyed little if any information.
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VERY NICE !

Wonder if anyone can put together a picture(s) of a family of five Original Finish High Polish Navy Pistols (from the 1st and 2nd Navy shipments). ? (Where are those original finish HP Navies !?)

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Old 12-24-2019, 04:38 AM
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If anyone could do it, it would be Gordon...
The first group of Navy pistols, when examples have been observed by me, seem to mostly have the later dull finish. However since finding any example from the first two groups is extremely rare, generalizing about them from a few examples is a fools errand. The three examples I have owned were from the second group, but one of them was a rust bucket and I no longer have it. Several others I have observed were refinished at least once and thus conveyed little if any information.
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kxk,

Well, you Have Pictures of Three,---Impressive ! The condition of 1620 (and 1641) are particularly exceptional, especially 1620. It is interesting they are so close in number.

Same experience with the 1st shipment. (Would be nice if there was some documentation on why they look the way they do.)

Yes,---maybe Gordon...

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Old 12-24-2019, 09:44 AM
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It is interesting they are so close in number...

"It is interesting they are so close in number."
Stan,
A friend who lives in the peoples republic of Virginia, also has serial number 1618, which after a careful side by side comparison was judged "perhaps" a whisker less condition than 1620.
We have both been hoping to locate sn 1619, but no luck yet.
As to added information, I suspect that if it has not surfaced by now, it is either in Davy Jones's locker or it does not exist.
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Old 12-25-2019, 09:36 PM
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Had my dad’s 1943 issue Colt. Army Air Corps. Found it a home with a collector. No one in my family would have respected the heritage.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:38 AM
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Carried a Singer for a short time when I was with the Marines in the 60's.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:52 PM
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I guess it would really suck to capture a completely intact Singer and have no choice but to add it to the pile of weapons to be destroyed.
Yes. Of course. ALL captured 1911s and such were turned in for destruction.

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Old 12-26-2019, 06:16 PM
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Carried a Singer for a short time when I was with the Marines in the 60's.
When I was a young Leatherneck, 1961-1965, I carried a BAR. It was much heavier than your Singer
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Old 12-26-2019, 06:25 PM
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Old 12-26-2019, 07:44 PM
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Singer Carbine

Years ago at gunshows somebody was always telling about someone they knew that had a Singer M1 Carbine. There was always stories but nothing was ever found. Then a few years ago information was found that Singer did manufacture receivers for Underwood. The funny thing was they were marked with a B code the ones marked with the S code was someone else. You don't here much about them anymore. So much for the Singer M1 Carbines.
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Old 12-31-2019, 10:15 AM
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Years ago at gunshows somebody was always telling about someone they knew that had a Singer M1 Carbine. There was always stories but nothing was ever found. Then a few years ago information was found that Singer did manufacture receivers for Underwood. The funny thing was they were marked with a B code the ones marked with the S code was someone else. You don't here much about them anymore. So much for the Singer M1 Carbines.
I've only seen one other Singer-Underwood but all of the parts other than the receiver are normal Underwood Elliot Fisher as one would expect. Still pretty cool. Best Karl
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Old 12-31-2019, 01:04 PM
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Carried a Singer for a short time when I was with the Marines in the 60's.
Electric or treadle Sorry, couldn't resist.
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I have an acquaintance who to this day would swear on the lives of his children and a stack of bibles that he was issued a Mattel M16. There is more than enough factual evidence these never existed and are a false memory at best, or to give the benefit of the doubt, the Mandela Effect.

I'm not casting shade on anyone who served our country but I've heard more claims of having carried a Singer 1911A1 than there were actual pistols produced by them.
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Old 01-01-2020, 05:35 PM
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I believe Mattel once received a contract to make replacement furniture for the M16, but no they never made actual rifles. At least not ones that weren't battery-powered anyway.
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Old 01-01-2020, 10:52 PM
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I'm sure that they were carried, they were issued. After the WWII it could have just been part of one, slide or frame. I also think that most of those who carried them didn't know what make it was or even cared (I said most). Perhaps years later a serviceman becomes interested in collecting and recalls the one he carried had a serial number that started with a S, thus the "I'll be damned, that was a Singer I carried while on Shore Patrol in Bremerton". Just saying, not all stories are BS.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:07 AM
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Of course they're not all BS... but 500 pistols out of 3.5 million issued? The odds of anyone ever coming across one, let alone knowing what it was were pretty slim. Until the 1980s when collecting GI 1911s finally became a thing I doubt 99% of gun people even knew that Singer once made 1911s. I do know a lot of vets entered and left the service without ever knowing that anyone other than Colt made them.
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Old 01-02-2020, 02:01 PM
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Until the 1980s when collecting GI 1911s finally became a thing I doubt 99% of gun people even knew that Singer once made 1911s. I do know a lot of vets entered and left the service without ever knowing that anyone other than Colt made them.
Yep! That was me up until about 10 years ago!

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I also think that most of those who carried them didn't know what make it was or even cared...)

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