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Old 01-19-2020, 01:21 PM
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Not a USGI National Match

For those interested in USGI Match pistols. Here's an example of a non arsenal modified pistol for camp/post/station match shooting.
Unverified, unsubstantiated story goes that the pistol was locally converted in the early 1960s for competitive, match, shooting by a base commander at a midwest Air Force Base. He subsequently bought the pistol and it became part of his estate. There is no evidence supporting the story.
The point of showing the pistol is to highlight some of the differences in a real USGI National Match and a pretty decent "look alike". This is a May/June 1945 Remington Rand, probably base armorer modified with a non standard front sight, non US marked Micro rear sight, non arsenal applied front strap stippling, a polished barrel at the ejection port and a trigger shoe. The trigger is very smooth and light. It shoots beautifully. The magazine is an unmolested Scoville
The pistol has none of the characteristic USGI NM markings. No NM Barrel, slide not serial numbered to the pistol, no NM stamped at the trigger guard, no serial numbered barrel bushing, no target "T" on the right side frame, no SA arsenal markings, no punch mark above the magazine release, original USGI stocks, so on and so on. Perhaps most telling.....the pistol has not been refinished.
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Old 01-21-2020, 02:53 AM
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Really nice Remington Rand! Cool modifications. I like it.
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:50 AM
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I agree after all it's still a nice REMRAND.
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Old 01-21-2020, 08:48 AM
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Love the RR models......
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Old 01-21-2020, 12:42 PM
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Is there any sign it has been accurized other than sights, stippling, and shoe?
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:37 PM
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I don't think so although the trigger is unusually smooth. Little bit of slack and breaks cleanly with no creep. My guess.....the trigger may have had some tweaking.
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Old 01-21-2020, 08:54 PM
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Nice looking pistol. Proof is in on well it shoots. Take it out and punch some holes in paper.

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Old 01-25-2020, 08:40 AM
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This one has been in here before, but it goes with the thread. An Army-accurized .45 ballgun from the early 70's with an Ithaca frame and all GI NM parts. Looks to have been tuned at FT Benning in the early 70's, probably by Jackie Best, one of the great AMU armorers back then. Definitely Army stippling, if you've seen a hundred or so of these converted ballguns. It's a superb shooter and will hold a just-over 2" 10-shot group at 50 yards with Fed match ball from a machine rest. Probably not collectible, but definitely a shooter.
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Rapid fire with GI match ball. What this gun was built to do


US-marked Kensight rear sight


Typical AMU stippling, most probably FT Benning


No arsenal-applied markings on the frame

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Old 01-25-2020, 09:25 AM
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Yours is a terrific looking pistol and representative of what was being done during the time period and outside the Springfield Arsenal world. You are probably right. Suspect collectability but they are beautiful pistols and superb shooters.
Thanks for sharing.
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Old 01-25-2020, 11:23 AM
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Yours is a terrific looking pistol and representative of what was being done during the time period and outside the Springfield Arsenal world. You are probably right. Suspect collectability but they are beautiful pistols and superb shooters.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! It's a good one; it gets shot weekly, mostly with 185 grain SWC jacketed factory.

I suspect these may become somewhat more desirable in the future; several USGI guns have been released by the CMP with stippling (rack grade). My guess is that they were post/team guns turned in and re-converted to issue. Someone at the CMP may realize in the future these accurized pistols were made in the hundreds and sell them as-is, instead of returning them to standard issue...if they're out there. Most of the marksmanship guns may still be sitting in post arms rooms. A bit of military marksmanship history that most collectors don't know about.
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